Link to Altimore Report

[Jkclone15]

Does anybody still know the link to that giant report Tony Altimore made after OUT happened and the Big 12 was looking at expansion options?

I know he turned into a giant douche on Twitter, but there was some good research in there, and I'm curious how all the realignment that has happened/is happening reflects it.

 

[CascadeClone]

If no one can find it, I downloaded it back in 2021. All 50Mb and 233 pages... DM me and I can send it.

My take on all of it is he vastly vastly vastly overweighted academics, and completely forgot about branding/media interest. The old saying "follow the money" - well he completely forgot to do that.

That said, agree there is some interesting stuff in there.

 

[Clone83]

I believe @Scruff posted it originally. I'll link that post but it appears to me that it is no longer available at that link.

It's in the thread titled "Big 12 Expansion (new thread)": Oct. 5, 2021, Post #1289.

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I don't believe any of the talk about the Arizonas leaving unless the PAC implodes via B1G/SEC stealing the Cali schools.

There is too much to be said about research dollars and academics. The Baylor podcast SIM 365 or whatever had a guy on to talk about expansion. Here is his slide show: (CAUTION ITS LONG) http://books.altimorecollins.com/sicem365/ I think it really shows the academic side of things better than other places.

If the PAC does implode via B1G SEC, we may have an interesting selection of PAC and ACC schools because no way the ACC powers are watching PAC schools go to greener pastures and get left behind. I still believe the Big 12 should sit tight with the new 12 and see what happens. They did as good as they could with the 4 they picked.

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Big 12 Expansion (new thread)

Yeah...adding SMU and USF is not doing anything to solidify the Big 12...probably the opposite. On the other hand, adding Arizona and ASU might actually do some solidifying. If I were Bowlsby, as far as expansion goes, my top priority would be finding out if the continually bantered about...

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[2speedy1]

Does anybody still know the link to that giant report Tony Altimore made after OUT happened and the Big 12 was looking at expansion options?

I know he turned into a giant douche on Twitter, but there was some good research in there, and I'm curious how all the realignment that has happened/is happening reflects it.

Nothing Altimore does is "good research". That report was a joke, full of biased data, that was majorly outdated, to try to show the Pac as more valuable than it was.

 

[AuH2O]

Nothing Altimore does is "good research". That report was a joke, full of biased data, that was majorly outdated, to try to show the Pac as more valuable than it was.

It wasn't so much the data was bad. It was that Altimore's conclusions from that data were really terrible.

He's said some really dumb things. Here are just a few classic things he's said back in the day:
-No way ASU would ever leave the PAC 12 because they opened up some satellite arts building in LA.
-No way would anybody would leave the PAC 12 because their endowments are larger. Not sure what the cause and effect is there.
-Rutgers will remain a good add to the Big 10 because other Big 10 universities have donors in NYC. Because I'm really sure OSU and Michigan's Presidents are closing deals by meeting up in Piscataway.

There are people that are smart but their biases cloud their ability to think rationally.

Altimore is just flat out dumb, and shame on whoever gave him his degrees.

 

[2speedy1]

It wasn't so much the data was bad. It was that Altimore's conclusions from that data were really terrible.

He's said some really dumb things. Here are just a few classic things he's said back in the day:
-No way ASU would ever leave the PAC 12 because they opened up some satellite arts building in LA.
-No way would anybody would leave the PAC 12 because their endowments are larger. Not sure what the cause and effect is there.
-Rutgers will remain a good add to the Big 10 because other Big 10 universities have donors in NYC. Because I'm really sure OSU and Michigan's Presidents are closing deals by meeting up in Piscataway.

There are people that are smart but their biases cloud their ability to think rationally.

Altimore is just flat out dumb, and shame on whoever gave him his degrees.

I agree.

Part of the problem with his data, though was a lot of it was about things that have little to no actual influence on realignment. Where he made idiotic statements and theories base on this useless information.

The other issue is he used data from a decade plus in the past. Much of his data was from timeframes in the early 2000s ending around something like 2015. A lot of it was at the most recent, several years old to over a decade old. Throw that on top of his deluded ideas as to what actually matters make the report he did ridiculous.

Then his west coast pompous attitude made him a complete jackass. Not sure how anyone still gives him or the other west coast elitist idiots like Conzano, Wilner, Mandel, and the Athletic clicks, let alone subscribes to their content.

 

[AuH2O]

I agree.

Part of the problem with his data, though was a lot of it was about things that have little to no actual influence on realignment. Where he made idiotic statements and theories base on this useless information.

The other issue is he used data from a decade plus in the past. Much of his data was from timeframes in the early 2000s ending around something like 2015. A lot of it was at the most recent, several years old to over a decade old. Throw that on top of his deluded ideas as to what actually matters make the report he did ridiculous.

Then his west coast pompous attitude made him a complete jackass. Not sure how anyone still gives him or the other west coast elitist idiots like Conzano, Wilner, Mandel, and the Athletic clicks, let alone subscribes to their content.

Wilner came to terms with realities pretty early. He was never really too big a douche, I don't think. Just biased and a bit in denial. The other guys were total clowns.

 

[heitclone]

Is this the guy who's proflie pic is from decades ago on X? There were a ton of west coast guys who looked foolish during the PAC's unraveling but he might have the most confident fool. Every post was arrogant and took aim at the people who lived in the big 12 territory. He made it very political bc he couldn't imagine being wrong in a debate against these inferior truck stop people.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Wilner came to terms with realities pretty early. He was never really too big a douche, I don't think. Just biased and a bit in denial. The other guys were total clowns.

Hard to say if they saw an opportunity for engagement/clout through contrarianism or if they are really dumb.

Probably a good idea if it was the former honestly.

 

[Clone83]

It wasn't so much the data was bad. It was that Altimore's conclusions from that data were really terrible. …

Altimore is just flat out dumb, and shame on whoever gave him his degrees.

IIRC he was USC undergrad and Penn MBA. Ironic if correct, because the Penn Wharton School is known for financial (mathematical) modeling. It’s like he used these fancy charts and graphs he learned somewhere, but looked at academic things university professionals might have more interest in, instead of TV.

 

[Clone83]

Is this the guy whose proflie pic is from decades ago on X?

Yes (was, maybe still is).

 

[Gunnerclone]

IIRC he was USC undergrad and Penn MBA. Ironic if correct, because the Penn Wharton School is known for financial (mathematical) modeling. It’s like he used these fancy charts and graphs he learned somewhere, but looked at academic things university professionals might have more interest in, instead of TV.

He attached numbers to names instead of names to numbers.

 

[Jkclone15]

If anyone else is interested, I did a little internet sleuthing, and found a link to the report. It was on a Utah State forum of all places, which is kind of hilarious given their current role in realignment.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=59362

 

[HouClone]

Is this the guy who's proflie pic is from decades ago on X? There were a ton of west coast guys who looked foolish during the PAC's unraveling but he might have the most confident fool. Every post was arrogant and took aim at the people who lived in the big 12 territory. He made it very political bc he couldn't imagine being wrong in a debate against these inferior truck stop people.

X:


Now:


What a douche.

 

[Scruff]

I believe @Scruff posted it originally. I'll link that post but it appears to me that it is no longer available at that link.

It's in the thread titled "Big 12 Expansion (new thread)": Oct. 5, 2021, Post #1289.

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Big 12 Expansion (new thread)

Yeah...adding SMU and USF is not doing anything to solidify the Big 12...probably the opposite. On the other hand, adding Arizona and ASU might actually do some solidifying. If I were Bowlsby, as far as expansion goes, my top priority would be finding out if the continually bantered about...

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Wish I could help, but I never downloaded anything. What I shared was from SicEm365 Podcast, those guys if anything were taking down what chartboy was saying. Altimore's raw data was "ok", but he used his own formula in weighting different categories he thought were relevant to expansion and his formula's were way off. Example: he put olympic sports and academics on an equal level to TV revenue and Football. It seems he does it in an attempt to make the Big 12 look bad and his favorite PAC schools look good. Dude was wildly wrong and feels irrelevant at this point.