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If I’m Mahomes or Kelce I’m low key pissed at Jones for not showing up. They’re both fine with taking pay cuts to win rings. Then Jones pulls this crap, wanting Aaron Donald money. Get out of here. Mahomes has been great behind a mic, answering questions on Jones not showing up with total class. But if I’m him I’m pissed.
 
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Dandy said:
If I’m Mahomes or Kelce I’m low key pissed at Jones for not showing up. They’re both fine with taking pay cuts to win rings. Then Jones pulls this crap, wanting Aaron Donald money. Get out of here. Mahomes has been great behind a mic, answering questions on Jones not showing up with total class. But if I’m him I’m pissed.
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I'm not sure that Mahomes is really taking all that much less. He's counting almost $40 million against their cap this year. Is he worth more? Sure. But $40 million isn't exactly a giant discount. Kelce, on the other hand, is definitely giving the Chiefs a discount. That said, both of those guys have significantly more earning potential off the field, than Jones does, so there's an offset for them taking less in their football contracts.
 
Dandy said:
If I’m Mahomes or Kelce I’m low key pissed at Jones for not showing up. They’re both fine with taking pay cuts to win rings. Then Jones pulls this crap, wanting Aaron Donald money. Get out of here. Mahomes has been great behind a mic, answering questions on Jones not showing up with total class. But if I’m him I’m pissed.
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He wants what he's worth. I don't really blame him. He is arguably the best defensive lineman in the game right now.
 
Mr Janny said:
I'm not sure that Mahomes is really taking all that much less. He's counting almost $40 million against their cap this year. Is he worth more? Sure. But $40 million isn't exactly a giant discount. Kelce, on the other hand, is definitely giving the Chiefs a discount. That said, both of those guys have significantly more earning potential off the field, than Jones does, so there's an offset for them taking less in their football contracts.
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Mahomes has repeatedly moved his salary to his signing bonus or deferred it down the road to free up cap space. Granted the numbers he is getting is huge, but when you factor in, he is the best QB in the league, they are getting him at a bargain price.
 
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SEIOWA CLONE said:
Mahomes has repeatedly moved his salary to his signing bonus or deferred it down the road to free up cap space. Granted the numbers he is getting is huge, but when you factor in, he is the best QB in the league, they are getting him at a bargain price.
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Mahomes isn't doing that. The Chiefs are. Converting a roster bonus to a signing bonus is a common front office tactic used to create cap room by spreading additional money over the existing length of the contract. Mahomes doesn't make any less money. It's not delayed. The contract length doesn't change. Mahomes doesn't have any say in it. It's an option for the team to exercise.
 
Mahomes is the 8th (9th once Burrow signs an extension) highest paid QB. He’s underpaid. Yes he gets $20M in endorsements but he’s underpaid voluntarily so guys like Jones and Bolton and Humphrey can be paid too. Then Jones wants outlier money. I could see Veach letting Jones walk eventually, either after this coming year or after next if they franchise tag him.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Mahomes isn't doing that. The Chiefs are. Converting a roster bonus to a signing bonus is a common front office tactic used to create cap room by spreading additional money over the existing length of the contract. Mahomes doesn't make any less money. It's not delayed. The contract length doesn't change. Mahomes doesn't have any say in it. It's an option for the team to exercise.
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Hmm Mahomes for 40 million or Kirk Cousins for 40 million. I'd rather have Mahomes.
 
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Jones will be playing soon if he knows what is best for his situation. If he holds out till week 8 he is getting terrible advice and it gives the Chiefs the ability to franchise tag him for another year at a lower cost. That's a bad move on his part no matter how you spin it as he loses out on potential earnings for this season and next and let's say he doesn't hit the free agent market until after the 2024 season then, he'll then be 31 years old turning 32 in July 2025 so just how many years is a team going to commit at his asking price? That's also assuming he stays healthy and performs at a high level too.
 
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NWICY said:
Hmm Mahomes for 40 million or Kirk Cousins for 40 million. I'd rather have Mahomes.
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Of course you would. Kirk's getting about $10 million less than that, this year, but even with that you'd still take Mahomes. That's not the point, though.
Patrick Mahomes has the largest cap hit of any player in the NFL, this season, at just under $40 million. Does he deserve it? Absolutely yes. He's earned every penny. But as a portion of the salary cap, this year, he's counting for more than any other player. And that cap number goes up in following years. His cap number is going to be top 2-3 in the league for quite a while. Is it less than he could have gotten on the open market? Yeah, that's very possible. But as it relates to impact on the cap, it's not really much of a discount. At least, it's not giving the Chiefs much of an advantage on their cap, as compared with other teams.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Mahomes isn't doing that. The Chiefs are. Converting a roster bonus to a signing bonus is a common front office tactic used to create cap room by spreading additional money over the existing length of the contract. Mahomes doesn't make any less money. It's not delayed. The contract length doesn't change. Mahomes doesn't have any say in it. It's an option for the team to exercise.
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You are correct that Mahomes will get all his money, but his signing bonus alone was $100 million, the two sides have mutually agreed to the contact situation. Mahomes wants to win, and the Chiefs want to keep him happy, the Chiefs are not going to do anything with his contract that Mahomes does not want to happen.

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SEIOWA CLONE said:
You are correct that Mahomes will get all his money, but his signing bonus alone was $100 million, the two sides have mutually agreed to the contact situation. Mahomes wants to win, and the Chiefs want to keep him happy, the Chiefs are not going to do anything with his contract that Mahomes does not want to happen.

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It's difficult to portray it as some act of magnanimity, though, which is what it seemed like you were trying to do. It's like someone agreeing to pay you $100 to mow their lawn and clean their garage, $50 for each task. Then later they say "Actually, it's $65 dollars to mow the lawn and $35 to clean the garage". It's not like you're suddenly giving them a discount to clean their garage. You're getting the same amount of money, regardless. They're just changing the accounting behind it.
 
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Of course you would. Kirk's getting about $10 million less than that, this year, but even with that you'd still take Mahomes. That's not the point, though.
Patrick Mahomes has the largest cap hit of any player in the NFL, this season, at just under $40 million. Does he deserve it? Absolutely yes. He's earned every penny. But as a portion of the salary cap, this year, he's counting for more than any other player. And that cap number goes up in following years. His cap number is going to be top 2-3 in the league for quite a while. Is it less than he could have gotten on the open market? Yeah, that's very possible. But as it relates to impact on the cap, it's not really much of a discount. At least, it's not giving the Chiefs much of an advantage on their cap, as compared with other teams.
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Actually, next year he drops to 6th as Watson, Dak, Murray, Stafford, and Allen all pass him. By 2026, he will fall out of the top 10, but jump back again in 2027 with that looming $60+ million cap hit. Of course I think that was always the intended renegotiation year.
 
SEIOWA CLONE said:
Mahomes has repeatedly moved his salary to his signing bonus or deferred it down the road to free up cap space. Granted the numbers he is getting is huge, but when you factor in, he is the best QB in the league, they are getting him at a bargain price.
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If you are looking at "could he get more" playing football elsewhere? Absolutely. If you are asking could he make more MONEY elsewhere the answer is no.

Kane and Toews ****** up a similar situation 10 or so years ago with the Blackhawks in the NHL. The Hawks won 2 Cups, were the darlings of the NHL, and their faces were everywhere. The Hawks paid them "market value", and by that I mean a price some team probably would have paid. At the time however, almost no contending team had the space, let alone teams that had the marketing power to maximize money "off the ice".

It was kind of the beginning of the end for the team. The large numbers helped create additional cap casualties both short and near term. Within a few years the team unraveled and nobody gave a **** what kind of players they were playing on a mediocre team. Quite frankly it was poor advice and decision making by them and their agents. Stars on WINNING teams are marketable and can more than make up the difference off the ice. There is also a decent to good chance the better stats accrued, playing with better players, helps the marketability and the leverage on an ensuing contract.

I don't think this concept is lost on Mahomes, or Kelce. Patrick lucked out on landing on he right team, with the right coach (might be the most perfect coach/QB pairing in league history) the right environment, and the right player(s) to maximize his potential (Reid being the most important). He's in a great ******* situation and knows it's allowed him to be extremely marketable. Why take an unnecessary risk, one where you 'gain' contract dollars but risk your brand? Kelce knows the same thing which is why he signs for 'less money'.

So is it a bargain? Not really, as most competitive teams will spend what they can spend and the Chiefs would spend what they had to as long as they felt like they could win. More importantly it's fair for both sides as they both win with the deal. The Chiefs can allocate that money elsewhere, giving Patrick his roster while Mahomes makes 10s of millions on his brand.

Hed be a ******* fool to risk that for a higher contract. In the end he'd lose..
 
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It's difficult to portray it as some act of magnanimity, though, which is what it seemed like you were trying to do. It's like someone agreeing to pay you $100 to mow their lawn and clean their garage, $50 for each task. Then later they say "Actually, it's $65 dollars to mow the lawn and $35 to clean the garage". It's not like you're suddenly giving them a discount to clean their garage. You're getting the same amount of money, regardless.
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No player is ever getting less money unless they agree to it, you are implying that the Chiefs are doing this on their own, and Mahomes has no say in the matter. Mahomes and his agents are agreeing on every move the Chiefs are doing to his contract, or the move will not be made.

The Chiefs have already stated that they are going to have to rework the contract down the road, but right now the cap hit is too large to do it. I read it will be around 2025/6 when they will start to rework his contract to ensure that he is the highest paid player in the game.
 
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Contract hold outs are the dumbest thing ever. Don't like your contract? Look in the mirror or fire your agent.

Nothing stops players from 'betting on themselves' and getting current, market value with 1 year deals. They don't because they want the guaranteed money (signing bonus) and risk mitigation with long term deals. If Jones didn't like the terms at the time of his deal then don't sign the ******* contract. Just sign one year deals and move around the league and play for whoever pays you. With that you take on some risk.

If Jones really wanted to make 'more money' he should refocus the effort from whining to marketing himself as one of the best defensive players in the league, on the best team in the league, with the best QB in the league. The potential off the field earnings would be enormous but holding out KILLS his brand. Holdouts are generally viewed poorly with the stigma often following for the entire career.

The last two years Jones has been great, with his effort being consistently high. Prior to that he was known as a 'player who can be great when he wants to be', one that was fairly earned with some sporadic efforts and performances. TBH that past, coupled with the holdout makes me (and probably some front office) question the motives behind his recent efforts. Aaron Donald has never had his effort questioned, and his pay and performance became commensurate with that. Jones? Will that drop off if he gets paid? I think it's more than fair to ponder.

Just a dumb move from every imaginable angle for Jones. In some way, shape, or form this doesn't end well for him.
 
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