Jefferson NOT gone.

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The other problem now is if we keep Jefferson I assume we just spent that big NIL money on him instead of getting another difference maker. These freshman better be ready to ball
Depends on the order of things.

Did LSU settle on Sutton cuz Jeff got a raise at ISU and stayed? Or did Sutton beat Jeff to the punch and signed his own big deal thus removing the LSU offer?

Of course the above is speculation based on the assumption LSU was the mystery school.
Could be another school which changes the dynamic again

Still lots of unanswered questions.
 
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And they are both BELOVED by their fan-bases and led happy, nice lives in Ames and Iowa City - which is my point.
But they would have left in a second if they were offered 1-2-3-400% or even bigger raises. The discrepancy in salary is what makes this different. I don't know the numbers in the 80s but let's say Iowa offers him 300k and SC offers 600k.Thats easier to see why a guy wouldn't jump for a job he may last 2-3 years at if he isn't successful. If SC offered him 2 million and Iowa offered him 200k he wouldnt have cared if he left and got fired after 2 years. They weren't never in that situation so we like to pretend they would have been blindly loyal. They wouldnt have. Hayden even said he considered going to SC and the weren't offering him nearly the raise these kids are being offered. And please keep in mind Johnny left Michigan because he said they wouldn't pay him enough. It's the same reason Bill Freider left and took the Arizona State job.
 
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Or the coach can hang around do it his way, have a nice life and show what a GREAT coach he truly is. I am not one of those people who think coaches should always be chasing the NC trophy. It's an empty dream for most of them. A waste of time and happiness. Some of the all-time great and beloved MBB and CFB coaches never won a NC. Johnny Orr @ Iowa State to name one. Hayden Fry @ Iowa to name another.
Most coaches, especially the younger ones, are ultra competitive, and have a drive to be the best. Sometimes that takes priority over "loyalty."
 

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I'm sitting there last night watching the F4 and as much as I would have loved to have been watching ISU, I wouldnt have even paid 300$/yr if that's all it would have taken to get them to that point. I could easily swing that but I just have other real life priorities. Yeah I'd rather take a week off than get ISU a good player.
I’m okay with different priorities. But if you are saying that you would pay 85 cents a day to watch Iowa State play in the final 4 then I can’t relate. I’m also not sure how much stock I put in complaints by those same people in the future.
 

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But they would have left in a second if they were offered 1-2-3-400% or even bigger raises.
But they didn't, and I think it was good for both of them. I just don't think chasing the NC, bigger jobs, more money is *NOT* always the wisest decision in life. If you have a great job, have a nice life, have enough money to live comfortably, etc. ENJOY LIFE!

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If the Big 12 were to somehow become a minor conference or ISU were to somehow have no chance in the Big 12 with the top being a juggernaut and the bottom being MVC quality…I’d probably casually care like I care about ISU’s Olympic sports but I wouldn’t be following every game on TV/radio or wanting to attend games.

The obvious goal is for every conference except Big Ten and SEC to be a minor lower league. In football it’s kind of here already. For whatever reason the Big Ten can’t turn its advantages into being great at basketball but the SEC seems to be onto something just this year.
This was my biggest fear when the media #'s came out and there was such a high disparity. Obviously the future of the non-revenue sports will be killed because of it, but my biggest fear is football, because it takes so much money and because of Title IV. Conferences that don't have football will have an easier time competing in basketball. Eventually I see the Big 12 either just gear their spending towards basketball and admit they are going to be 2nd level conference in football or hope the SEC and Big end up at like 24 teams each.
 
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I’m okay with different priorities. But if you are saying that you would pay 85 cents a day to watch Iowa State play in the final 4 then I can’t relate. I’m also not sure how much stock I put in complaints by those same people in the future.
No I wouldn't had some medical bills due to an i injury and the extra money I have ill put into a down market. There's also a part of me that understands all of this was going to be inevitable but I'm not contributing. I think the overall quality of the games has gone down big time the last few years. I think it's a bad product. Obviously that's just my opinion.
 
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Most coaches, especially the younger ones, are ultra competitive, and have a drive to be the best. Sometimes that takes priority over "loyalty."
I get that, but chasing what is supposedly an easier path to the NC is not showing you are better or the best. Staying in one place, busting your ass, making a difference, etc. is a better way to show you are the BEST IMO. Seriously, anybody think Chizik is a better coach than Matt Campbell because Chizik won the NC @ Auburn? I don't, and I don't even think it is close.
 
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I get that, but chasing what is supposedly an easier path to the NC is not showing you are better or the best IMO. Staying in one place, busting your ass, making a difference, etc. is a better way to show you are the BEST IMO. Seriously, anybody think Chizik is a better coach than Matt Campbell because Chizik won the NC @ Auburn? I don't, and I don't even think it is clclose.
I'll bet national perception would rank Chizik ahead of Campbell.
 

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I get that, but chasing what is supposedly an easier path to the NC is not showing you are better or the best IMO. Staying in one place, busting your ass, making a difference, etc. is a better way to show you are the BEST IMO. Seriously, anybody think Chizik is a better coach than Matt Campbell because Chizik won the NC @ Auburn? I don't, and I don't even think it is close.
I would have agreed with you 5 years ago but continuity means nothing now. A coach is in rebuilding mode when he's at his 10th year at a school now annually. You can do the same thing job hopping every year. Ask Chris Beard. Continuity doesn't exist in today's college sports. It used to be what separated the haves and have not's in any sport. It's a different world. Roster turnover makes it obsolete.
 
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If you are here panicking or complaining about kids leaving for more money ask yourself if you are doing enough. Are you giving to we will? If you care enough to be on this board reading through this post I'm guessing you care enough to give a dollar a day to be competitive. If everyone that helped fill hilton every game gave 1 dollar a day it would be 5 million a year alone. We either need to accept our fate moving forward or do something about it. It sucks we are being expected to do more but we are here like it or not.
I can't afford to donate. I work 2 jobs and still barely scraping by. It shouldn't be up to us to have to buy players for our favorite college sports programs.
 

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I can't afford to donate. I work 2 jobs and still barely scraping by. It shouldn't be up to us to have to buy players for our favorite college sports programs.
No more than it should be for us to donate to our high school alma maters. Paying these players seems to be where we draw the line. Id have done anything to not have to have paid for college. People who sit in the arena circle and even the parquet live in a different world than the average fan.
 

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We should have a dedicated portal thread on this board and you have to enter your WE WILL code in as a password to be able to access discussion about any portal talk.
That'll keep someone busy deleting the threads non donors start. Your idea can work though, a few weeks back CF did a very good job of quickly removing threads about a certain central Iowa business.
 
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The Cyclone sports brand would be less valuable than Des Moines Dragons if I and others like me had not. Fact.

(this is all major college sports, obviously not calling out ISU specifically)
Well that was a heck of a pull I had to Google that one. I was working out of state at that time.
 

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