Jamie Pollard...
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Are you asking from his frame of reference or from the coaches :smile:? I image from the coaches perspective he doesn't have any buddies. From the perspective of him going on national television and blubbering like a child with a temper tantrum because we lost a football game (making ISU from the top down the laughing stock of the Big 12), the fact no one (especially the team) likes Smoke on the Water yet it still gets played, and our stale marketing of the football team....I would say Jamie likes to think he and Rhoads are best buds.
I'm in no way saying he wanted McDoormat to fail. What I am trying to portray is that because McDoormat failed so miserably, JP had pretty much no choice left but to hire Hoiberg because nobody else likely wanted the job. While many think the hire of GM was great at the time, that doesn't excuse the hire. That's the same kind of thinking that if you work for an investment company and you put your money into a stock that seems to be the "right move" and fails that it's excusable and will get you a free pass. Hindsight is always 20/20, but that doesn't excuse failing. As for the JP being cheap remark, he hired Hoiberg for $1mil. That's less than McDoormat was making at ISU so that's why I'm making that being cheap comment.
You're making things up again. McDermott resigned and JP hired Hoiberg before really bringing in other candidates to interview for the position. The vacancy wasn't vacant long enough for people to apply. JP critics would be correct doing this back-door deal without posting the position and see the quality of candidates available, but you went the other route, which is laughable.
JP isn't getting a free pass. Your point was that he hired McDermott over Hoiberg, which almost everyone would have done at that time.
Logic fail again. How much coaching experience did Hoiberg have when hired? How much did McDermott have?
Listen, you don't like JP, that's fine. There are issues with him and if you brought those up, like focusing on why Rhoads is still here, that is fine. But you discredit your points when filled with citing the BS you've done in two posts.
The people who are calling for the firing of JP need to calm the F down. Yes, he needs to wake up and get rid of CPR but other than that he has been one of the best things to happen to ISU athletics. I would hate to see him leave.
It's hilarious how people will tell the story to fit their narrative. Anything good that has happened while Pollard has been AD is luck, or circumstance. Anything bad that has happened is squarely on him and bad decision making. Ha.
The biggest decision an AD makes is who is the head football coach. JP cannot be trusted to hire the next coach. That is why I think he should be gone.
Look, I don't care if Jamie stays or goes. All cyclone fans want out of him right now is to get rid of CPR and hire a good football coach.
I agree Jamie "The Nerd" will never fit in with the Hollywood Set that backs USC to the hilt........
Pollard has solid credentials in being an AD and businessman. Just look at the facilities and the money he has brought to Iowa State. He has experience in being the President of the entire 1A Athletics Directors Association (Immediate Past President now). His main issue for me is not hiring the right football coach.
The other issue is ISU does not pay coaches incredibly well compared to the rest of the B12.
Football coach salaries, benefits, bonuses paid by university*
1. Mack Brown (resigned Dec.)/Charlie Strong - football - $7,723,067
2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: $5,533,882
3. Gary Patterson, Texas Christian: $4,008,150
4. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State: $3,196,606
5. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia: $3,180,788
6. Art Briles, Baylor: $3,135,146
7. Bill Snyder, Kansas State: $2,987,038
8. Charlie Weis, Kansas (since fired): $2,566,662
9. Kliff Klingsbury, Texas Tech: $2,270,928
10. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State: $1,837,627
Football recruiting spending*
1. Oklahoma: $880,541
2. Texas Tech: $751,027
3. Iowa State: $644,213
4. Texas: $594,124
5. Kansas: $577,432
6. West Virginia: $448,540
7. Kansas State: $445,603
8. Oklahoma State: $203,622
So the players should be there with all that money spent recruiting, just the coach isn’t at the same level of competency.
Get what you pay for? *2013-14 Data
The other issue is ISU does not pay coaches incredibly well compared to the rest of the B12.
Football coach salaries, benefits, bonuses paid by university*
1. Mack Brown (resigned Dec.)/Charlie Strong - football - $7,723,067
2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: $5,533,882
3. Gary Patterson, Texas Christian: $4,008,150
4. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State: $3,196,606
5. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia: $3,180,788
6. Art Briles, Baylor: $3,135,146
7. Bill Snyder, Kansas State: $2,987,038
8. Charlie Weis, Kansas (since fired): $2,566,662
9. Kliff Klingsbury, Texas Tech: $2,270,928
10. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State: $1,837,627
Football recruiting spending*
1. Oklahoma: $880,541
2. Texas Tech: $751,027
3. Iowa State: $644,213
4. Texas: $594,124
5. Kansas: $577,432
6. West Virginia: $448,540
7. Kansas State: $445,603
8. Oklahoma State: $203,622
So the players should be there with all that money spent recruiting, just the coach isn’t at the same level of competency.
Get what you pay for? *2013-14 Data
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Point taken, I know we would not see the return in revenue. I do think winning a national title in wrestling(or any sport for that matter) would bring a lot of positive attention to the university, but it's difficult to put a monetary value on that.
It wouldn't have taken that much to keep Cael here. He didn't ask for a raise in pay to what Penn state was offering him. He wanted to see the difference between his salary at ISU and what he was offered at PSU put towards the wrestling program. Pennies in the grand scheme of things in our athletic budget.
Devastating to me as a wrestling fan(and I realize I am in the minority there) that we had Dan Gable, let him walk. He goes on to win 15 national titles at Iowa. The second coming of Gable (Cael) comes around, and we let him walk. He's won 4 national titles at Penn state.
We just can't have nice things.
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It wasn't risky to hire the biggest legend in school history to the biggest job in the AD with absolutely no coaching experience? JP bet his job and his legacy in that hiring. If that didn't work, the AD doesn't survive firing Hoiberg. And after losing his job, he would forever be remembered as the guy who fired Fred. He certainly wouldn't be having his name circulated for the USC job today, and he wouldn't be considered a leading candidate for a future position at Wisconsin. But sure, there was no downside there beyond a few more years of bad hoops.
Really? My guess would be it's people too young to remember how bad Bruce Van De Velde was. It's tough to imagine many people who have been fans of ISU for very long, at least not seeing what JP has done here as an all out miracle.
Yeah, the TV money has been a nice boost that other ADs here didn't have, but that money just keeps the fire lit. It's not the TV money that builds the BBall practice facility and does all the upgrades to JTS that have happened. This is definitely a case of JP certainly not being perfect, but in the long run, is doing great work for ISU and keeping people excited about sports here.
With all that being said though, the end of this football season will be a big moment in his tenure here. He will have to get rid of CPR and hire someone who will bring some excitement to ISU football. If he doesn't, no matter what he has done up to this point will matter and it will be his head on the chopping block with CPR.
I am amazed though that people can't see all the good he has done for ISU.
Jamie Pollard is the best thing to ever happen at ISU, but to be a true legend, you are ultimately judged on your coaching hires and excluding Steve Peterson I don't an AD that has swung and missed so much on those hires and still kept his job.
Self employed carpenter. Go to work every day and have work booked through December. Seems like a successful business to me
"Making a hire that seems like a good idea at the time" is something anyone can do. Pollard's job is not to make hires that appear good. Pollard's job is to make hires that are actually good. In that he has failed miserably. Among the hires he has made Christy Johnson-Lynch is the only one that has been above average other than Fred, and Fred fell into his lap. The majority of the coaches Pollard has picked have turned out to be bad coaching hires, and the more prominent the sport the worse the hire tends to be. Pollard is a good administrator and he deserves credit for that. But his single most important job is selecting coaches. And Pollard is absolutely terrible at selecting coaches.
