Jamie Pollard...

Your right there has but is he responsible for everything? No

I guess he didn't sign the check himself. No one said he was responsible for everything but they happened under his watch. If you want to blame him for Cael leaving, fine, but it wasn't feasible to keep him. You couldn't hamstring a whole department to meet the needs of a coach who is asking for what an AD with exponentially more resources was willing to give. You know why? Because they have dedicated wrestling donors that are evidently much bigger than ours.
 
I guess he didn't sign the check himself. No one said he was responsible for everything but they happened under his watch. If you want to blame him for Cael leaving, fine, but it wasn't feasible to keep him. You couldn't hamstring a whole department to meet the needs of a coach who is asking for what an AD with exponentially more resources was willing to give. You know why? Because they have dedicated wrestling donors that are evidently much bigger than ours.

Yeah I guess it wasn't feasible when he didn't even put an offer on the table or even throw out any offers.
 
Yeah I guess it wasn't feasible when he didn't even put an offer on the table or even throw out any offers.

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Does Pollard get any credit for the Hoiberg hire? What about firing Wayne? Everyone knew that wasn't a long term solution. What about letting Mac go so we could try to take the next step. GMac and Chizik were both heralded as great hires. When you have to hire from the coordinator or mid-major ranks as ISU does, it's going to be about a 50-50 chance.

Count me in the group as not wanting to pay somebody 3 million plus and handicapping our AD. If that makes me a penny pincher, so be it.
 
I don't necessarily agree that he has been that bad at hiring coaches, (especially since one of them was the 2nd best hire in ISU history) but even if he is, I too would still want him around since we seem too using more search committees and have Leath involved in hiring. That should help to cover that possible deficiency.

Nailed it. Have some of hours hires underperformed? Without a doubt. Were any of them heavily criticized or unpopular at the time they were made? Maybe the McD extension. But the McD hire, the Fred hire, the Chiz hire, and the CPR hire and extension were all pretty popular at the time. And the Prohm hire seems to be well received to. How can you argue to can a guy when he seemed to be making all the right moves at the time? I don't have any faith that someone else would have produced a better outcome.
 
I am pretty sure JP is waiting for the Wisconsin AD job to open up. I don't think he'll be leaving Ames unless it's for Wisco.

I am not the biggest Pollard fan because I don't think he supports our wrestling program enough to get us back into National Title contention. Should have done whatever it took to keep Cael Sanderson in Ames.

No way. There is no return on investment in wrestling. I know we have history, and a core group of fans, but it makes no sense. The sport is dying, and even being elite year after year won't bring the attention or revenue to the school to justify the cost.
 
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Can someone please explain why you'd want to get rid of pollard? I'm assuming anyone who feels that way is either an idiot or hasn't been an Isu fan for longer than 10 years. Or I guess maybe you're not exactly sure what an AD at a school like ISU is supposed to do.

Please tell us all what an AD is supposed to do at a school like ISU oh wise one.
 
Nailed it. Have some of hours hires underperformed? Without a doubt. Were any of them heavily criticized or unpopular at the time they were made? Maybe the McD extension. But the McD hire, the Fred hire, the Chiz hire, and the CPR hire and extension were all pretty popular at the time. And the Prohm hire seems to be well received to. How can you argue to can a guy when he seemed to be making all the right moves at the time? I don't have any faith that someone else would have produced a better outcome.

I was not here for the McD hire, but out of all of the other ones mentioned, I think the Fred hire was the most criticized out of all of those at the time. A decent amount of people questioned the lack of coaching that Fred had despite being in a Power 5 conference. It worked out in the end and glad that it happened.
 
I was not here for the McD hire, but out of all of the other ones mentioned, I think the Fred hire was the most criticized out of all of those at the time. A decent amount of people questioned the lack of coaching that Fred had despite being in a Power 5 conference. It worked out in the end and glad that it happened.

I would agree, the Fred hire came with the most concern. Of all of those, it seemed like the riskiest at the time. It took huge balls to make that hire, and it paid off huge.
 
Speaking of Colorado, remember Mason Crosby's great kicking day against ISU? Good times.

Every time I see the Packers on TV. At least he lived up to his college rep and carried it into the pros. He might miss once in a while but no kick is ever going to be short.

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JP is the best thing that has happened to ISU. My experience is the only folks that don't like him are the older, penny pinching fans that are scorned because they lost their 50 yd line seats they used to get for next to nothing.
I'm not an older, penny pinching fan and I think JP is awful. While I'm not a season ticket holder, I still donate to the university every year so I feel like I can put in my two cents on JP. He's a cheap egomaniac that doesn't have the balls to fire a coach because he's good buddies with him. He screwed up royally on Rhoads and gave him that stupid extension. Had Rhoads never pulled off that one big win over Okie State, Pollard would've been fired by now. Now that it's obvious we can't even compete in the conference against anyone outside of Kansas, lots of fans, including myself, are losing hope and getting angry. He turned down Hoiberg for McDoormat then when McDoormat drove basketball into the ground, he thought "why not? Expectations are low, I can get him cheap." In other words, he got extremely lucky that McDoormat failed miserably so that he could underpay Hoiberg at the time. Then add in the reports of JP treating Fred and the basketball team like garbage and you've got an AD that bothers a lot of people. I don't give him credit for Prohm because Leath got involved in the search. It's pretty clear that even our university president doesn't have a lot of confidence in JP when he has to help with the coaching search.

While I appreciate the tremendous things he has done with facilities and donations, he's starting to lose the hope of this fanbase. He's lucky that we have such a great fanbase that's willing to dish out donations over the idea that there's a little bit of hope in this program. Now that we can't produce a winning product on the football field, he can't do the simple job of firing a coach with one of the lowest winning percentages in ISU history, all with the best facilities and highest budget this school has ever had. I consider him extremely lucky and he takes all the credit for this luck even though he deserves none. Had he been at just about any other P5 school, the university president would have forced him to fire Rhoads by now.

Feel free to refute my point if you want, but this guy really bothers me and I know a lot of other ISU fans are thinking the same thing.

Has JP actually fired anyone? McCarney resigned, Chizik bolted for Auburn, McDoormat left for Creighton and Fred left for the NBA.
 
I would agree, the Fred hire came with the most concern. Of all of those, it seemed like the riskiest at the time. It took huge balls to make that hire, and it paid off huge.
I am going to disagree 100% about it being risky. He knew the basketball program was at an all time low and he could get Fred for dirt cheap. Fred had begged for the job in 2006 (or whatever year McDoormat was hired) and JP thought it was too risky at the time. Coming back four years later to probably the only option outside of a joke of a coach made it obvious that Fred would be the guy. It was a low-risk high-reward hire in 2010 because if he failed it wouldn't be any different than the past six years.
 
Obvious someone has an personal axe to grind with Pollard when you have the smallest budget you have to be careful with funds no one really cares about wrestling anymore, budget growth has been tremendous including donation growth, all his hires except Fred were hailed as great hires at the time, some didn't work out. lifetime seating preference for small onetime gifts was irresponsible and damaging to ISU If there isn't a shocking turn around in football this year CPR will be let go. Not until the end of the season though. if JP doesn't take action bring out the pitch forks then. He's been the best AD in my 30 years of being an ISUfan.
 
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Obvious someone has an personal axe to grind with Pollard when you have the smallest budget you have to be careful with funds no one really cares about wrestling anymore, budget growth has been tremendous including donation growth, all his hires except Fred were hailed as great hires at the time, some didn't work out. lifetime seating preference for small onetime gifts was irresponsible and damaging to ISU If there isn't a shocking turn around in football this year CPR will be let go. Not until the end of the season though. if JP doesn't take action bring out the pitch forks then. He's been the best AD in my 30 years of being an ISUfan.

"the shiniest turd is still a turd" - Robert Frost, 1996
 
Oh, you're still ****** about Prohm. I see your point though. I mean, so far it's been a huge disaster.

No i am ****** about the Hoiberg hire, damn Iowans (:jimlad:). I like Prohm, liked him then and even more now (didn't like some of his comments, but doesn't mean I don't like the hire or him). I am just saying I would like a wider demographic to choose from than biblebeaters or Iowans, sure their are good coaches in that demo (Prohm, Hoiberg). For example I would have preffered Kelly or Harbaugh over Chizik (more of what I was talking about). I think Pollard is a good AD and has made some good hires and really was making a very narrow critique.
 
Jamie has been a solid AD but i think sometimes he gets more credit than he probably deserves, even though he deserves a lot, if that makes sense. The fact is a lot of our increased revenue and thus a lot of our projects have come in large part from the big 12 contracts increasing. Any halfway competent AD that was here during this time was going to see a budget increase and was going to have facilities as a major goal (because everyone in college athletics is doing that). Its a bit generous to say 'no AD did what he's done' when he's presided over an unprecedented level of outside funding.

JP came to ISU when the budget was $25-$26 million, including about $6 million from the big 12. Next year the budget is around $68 million with about $28 million from the Big 12. Non-Big 12 revenue has increased from about $20 million to $40 million in 10 years. The biggest increases are in donations, ticket revenue, suite fees, and very importantly in the fees from Tier 3 rights, concession contract improvements and branding, including the contract with Nike when we changed uniforms.

Anyone who thinks JP had all this increased funding handed to him are wrong, he and his staff worked hard to make this happen. It is important to note that JP was so highly regarded that his peers had him be the head of the AD's committee for the conference during the realignment mess.

There are a lot of reasons the football team is not doing well, but having JP leave is not going to solve any of them.
 
I'm not an older, penny pinching fan and I think JP is awful. While I'm not a season ticket holder, I still donate to the university every year so I feel like I can put in my two cents on JP. He's a cheap egomaniac that doesn't have the balls to fire a coach because he's good buddies with him. He screwed up royally on Rhoads and gave him that stupid extension. Had Rhoads never pulled off that one big win over Okie State, Pollard would've been fired by now. Now that it's obvious we can't even compete in the conference against anyone outside of Kansas, lots of fans, including myself, are losing hope and getting angry.

Fair enough.

He turned down Hoiberg for McDoormat

Which 99% of the basketball world would've done at the time. Many liked the McDermott hire and he was successful at UNI.

then when McDoormat drove basketball into the ground, he thought "why not? Expectations are low, I can get him cheap." In other words, he got extremely lucky that McDoormat failed miserably so that he could underpay Hoiberg at the time.

Wow, complete nonsense. Getting lucky McDermott failed? I'm sure JP would've been thrilled if McDermott turned it around and didn't have the constant exodus of players and won games.

As for hiring Hoiberg due to being cheap? That's quite an accusation. Do you have a link for that? He hired Hoiberg due to being in contact with him over the years, Hoiberg stating what he'd do to turn around ISU bball and expressing he wanted the job, and to bring ISU's golden boy back home to a frustrated and disinterested fanbase.

Then add in the reports of JP treating Fred and the basketball team like garbage and you've got an AD that bothers a lot of people.

Then add in the reports where Fred refuted everything and anyone who actually looked into the accusations about the ballroom incident and staff family travel and Hines giving Pollard one day to refute an already-written article should be more intelligent to not fall for tabloid journalism.

I don't give him credit for Prohm because Leath got involved in the search. It's pretty clear that even our university president doesn't have a lot of confidence in JP when he has to help with the coaching search.

At my company, candidates are usually selected by the hiring manager, then interviewed with them, potential peers, and possibly the department manager. In sports, the GM may select the interviewees, however still need to run them by the owner for interview/approval.

So, I hope Leath is involved with all major hires at ISU. I agree it was good that Leath was involved. However do you have a source/link for stating Leath did the searching as well? I believe the Leath involvement was more similar to what I wrote in my preceding paragraph--Leath wanted due diligence on the candidate selections and be a part of the interviewing process. I hope all ISU presidents have that level of involvement with all ADs for major hires.

While I appreciate the tremendous things he has done with facilities and donations, he's starting to lose the hope of this fanbase. He's lucky that we have such a great fanbase that's willing to dish out donations over the idea that there's a little bit of hope in this program. Now that we can't produce a winning product on the football field, he can't do the simple job of firing a coach with one of the lowest winning percentages in ISU history, all with the best facilities and highest budget this school has ever had. I consider him extremely lucky and he takes all the credit for this luck even though he deserves none. Had he been at just about any other P5 school, the university president would have forced him to fire Rhoads by now.

At least you started and ended your post well--too bad the middle was garbage.
 
No one his is questioning Jamie Pollard's ability to manage the funding that ISU is receiving (except the wrestling fans but....I mean come on it's wrestling). The biggest problem I and anyone else has is that he treats his job as a means to make buddies with the coaches instead of treating them like what they are, employees. Fact of the matter is he has done a terrible job of hiring/managing coaches, and instead of getting out of his own way, Leath has had to step in and do it for him (thank God). Personally I think he would make an incredible associate AD, doing the administrative work while someone else actually does their job and manages the people below him/her.

And to anyone that wants to point to him hiring Hoiberg....you are out of your mind. Any AD at ISU could have gotten Fred here. At the time he WANTED to be coaching here, something that basically NEVER happens. Fred came to ISU because of Fred, not because of Jamie. The reality is if Fred wants something badly enough, he finds a way. Maybe it would have taken him longer to build a resume deserving of the job had another AD been here, but he still would have been an ISU coach until the NBA came calling.
 

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