ISU unranked in AP poll

[Gonzo]

Why limit this to 10-25? Texas, Alabama, Clemson and Notre Dame were all in the top 10 to start the season. I would consider the entire poll worthless.

There are usually problems with 1-10 as well, but I don't think they're nearly as off as 11-25.

Last year, 11 of the 15 teams ranked from 11-25 in the preseason poll finished the season unranked. That's nearly 75% of teams ranked in the preseason 11-25 slots that finished unranked. There were 2 teams ranked in the preseason top-10 that finished the season ranked outside the top-10 (Bama #17, Ole Miss #11), and 2 teams that finished unranked (FSU, Michigan).

 

[SolterraCyclone]

The KSU game “counts” as a ranked win because any athletic department across the U.S. is going to count that as a ranked win in their historical record keeping. That’s how it’s consistently viewed across all athletic departments.

Now, is that win going to help us earn an at-large selection at the end of the year with the committee. No. Not at all.

 

[soccercy]

The KSU game “counts” as a ranked win because any athletic department across the U.S. is going to count that as a ranked win in their historical record keeping. That’s how it’s consistently viewed across all athletic departments.

Now, is that win going to help us earn an at-large selection at the end of the year with the committee. No. Not at all.

End of season also isn't a clear snapshot of when the game occurred. Team could end unranked but be impacted by injuries that weren't present when the game was played. Could be other culture and inter team issues that develop later in season. KState could have been primed to have a good season if they had won that game in Ireland...so what they were ranked at the time is a fair snapshot of them at the time of the game. That loss could be what sent them into a spiral, not necessarily just a lack of talent, etc.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

There are usually problems with 1-10 as well, but I don't think they're nearly as off as 11-25.

Last year, 11 of the 15 teams ranked from 11-25 in the preseason poll finished the season unranked. That's nearly 75% of teams ranked in the preseason 11-25 slots that finished unranked. There were 2 teams ranked in the preseason top-10 that finished the season ranked outside the top-10 (Bama #17, Ole Miss #11), and 2 teams that finished unranked (FSU, Michigan).

Doesn't it average out that around 10 teams ranked in the preseason are not in the poll when the season is over. Its stands to reason that if you are higher ranked at the start of the season, top 10 teams, you stand less of a chance to drop out then a lower ranked team. You also have to factor in that they must be good because they are X and they are always good.

Is Oregon really a better team than either TT or Indiana, we just don't know right now, but Oregon is a name school while the other two are not and get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Gonzo]

Doesn't it average out that around 10 teams ranked in the preseason are not in the poll when the season is over. Its stands to reason that if you are higher ranked at the start of the season, top 10 teams, you stand less of a chance to drop out then a lower ranked team. You also have to factor in that they must be good because they are X and they are always good.

Is Oregon really a better team than either TT or Indiana, we just don't know right now, but Oregon is a name school while the other two are not and get the benefit of the doubt.

Yep, starting out highly ranked in a preseason poll is a massive advantage.

 

[flycy]

You're counting that as a ranked win?

That's the way it works when they count these totals. They always count if a team was ranked when you play them. I think it would make more sense to use the end of season rankings to determine the number of ranked teams played/defeated, but that is not what is done. So yes, it was a ranked win and even if Iowa squeezes into the rankings during the season, it will not.

 

[ForeverIowan]

I'll be interested to see how many of these one loss teams the SEC and Big Ten media folks put in front of undefeated Iowa State tomorrow.

Texas
Penn State
LSU
Georgia
Bama
Tenn

 

[JM4CY]

I'll be interested to see how many of these one loss teams the SEC and Big Ten media folks put in front of undefeated Iowa State tomorrow.

Penn State
LSU
Georgia
Bama
Tenn

Probably all of them. The AP is not an actual sound measure.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I'll be interested to see how many of these one loss teams the SEC and Big Ten media folks put in front of undefeated Iowa State tomorrow.

Penn State
LSU
Georgia
Bama
Tenn

FSU too. We’ll be lucky to move up 1 spot this week.

 

[83cy]

I'll be interested to see how many of these one loss teams the SEC and Big Ten media folks put in front of undefeated Iowa State tomorrow.

Penn State
LSU
Georgia
Bama
Tenn

To be fair a lot of those one losses were to very good teams.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

FSU too. We’ll be lucky to move up 1 spot this week.

We may even drop a spot in all honesty

 

[cyfanbr]

Easy to get into circular logic with pools.

FSU is good since they beat Bama. Bama must be good since they beat Georgia. Georgia must be good since they lost to an Alabama team that lost to a good FSU team and on and on and on.

 

[Statefan10]

We may even drop a spot in all honesty

4 teams ahead of us lost and we just boat raced a team the sharps had only losing by around a field go. We’ll jump 2+ spots.

 

[Clone95]

I think we’ll jump FSU but not PSU, LSU. Hard to say what will happen with GA and Bama. Hopefully being undefeated keeps us ahead of Bama and the voters want to put bama ahead of GA so we move up 2 spots. Most likely, though, is they move bama ahead of us and put GA right behind them and we stay 14

 

[Big_Sill]

I don’t think we’re going to move up in the poll until big brand teams ahead of us get 2 losses or a definitive “bad loss”.

I think we live in the 12 to 15 spot all season until that happens.

Also— this doesn’t really bother me.

 

[cloneclone]

I don’t think we’re going to move up in the poll until big brand teams ahead of us get 2 losses or a definitive “bad loss”.

I think we live in the 12 to 15 spot all season until that happens.

Also— this doesn’t really bother me.

We'll hang around there until we get to the BYU/ASU/TCU stretch. That'll be our opportunity to move up

 

[KidSilverhair]

Easy to get into circular logic with pools.

FSU is good since they beat Bama. Bama must be good since they beat Georgia. Georgia must be good since they lost to an Alabama team that lost to a good FSU team and on and on and on.

That‘s the “propping up” we all keep talking about. Rank your favored conference teams high in the preseason polls, then losses to those teams aren’t so bad, and losses by those teams don’t drop them too far. That’s how an 0-2 Notre Dame stayed ranked, for example. All based on vibes, recruiting, and history (which just continues to be good because of the rankings).

 

[chuckd4735]

4 teams ahead of us lost and we just boat raced a team the sharps had only losing by around a field go. We’ll jump 2+ spots.

PSU, Georgia, and LSU won't drop below us. Florida State may stay ahead of us with their Bama win. Bama will jump us. No chance we jump 2 spots.

 

[harimad]

I think we’ll jump FSU but not PSU, LSU. Hard to say what will happen with GA and Bama. Hopefully being undefeated keeps us ahead of Bama and the voters want to put bama ahead of GA so we move up 2 spots. Most likely, though, is they move bama ahead of us and put GA right behind them and we stay 14

It's Alabama. They'll be "back" and they'll absolutely jump in front of us. Meanwhile Georgia who lost a home game to this juggernaut will drop a couple of spots because it isn't a bad loss now.

 

[AppleCornCy]

We may even drop a spot in all honesty

That’s what I’m expecting. Alabama jumps us and FSU stays ahead of us.