ISU Bowl Projection

It wouldn't be Rutgers. It would be a really good and senior-laden G5 team, who we've seen beat top P5 teams in bowl games. You can't just say "it isn't happening". There is a huge talent difference between a 2 seed and a 15 seed in basketball. But it's happened. It's lazy to just dismiss every team because Vegas or whatever.
It isn't happening the 3 or 4 times in a row it would take. Single game bowl? Sure, upsets can happen there. But not all the way to championship in this format.
 
I agree with all you're saying, but you're missing one big factor, in my opinion:

Let's say we do make the playoff. Not necessarily this year, but any year. Then what? Hang a banner for making it, because we have no shot of pulling off 3 significant consecutive upsets (or 4 without a bye). An Incredibly amazing season will never be able to end with a win again. Ever.

I feel like a broken record, but pretending every team should be striving for a natty is stupid.
Lol college football is the only sport on any level where you can end on a win without being a champion. Is that really something so special to you? That you can go into the offseason with warm fuzzies about a win? Are you mad when the basketball season ends with a loss? Does that make an NCAA tournament run less special? Just an absurd line of thought.

Yes, making the playoff would be cause for celebration in itself. It also means you likely are in the conference championship game with the opportunity to win it. Another cause for celebration.
 
The bowls are no more or less meaningless now than they ever have been. We have had a four team playoff, and before that a BCS title game, and before that you may have a couple top tier bowls where the participant could claim a natty with a win. For everyone else, all the other bowl games have always been just a fun exhibition.
Except historically, both teams have played full rosters and put a ton of time and emotional investment into winning. There was a clear hierarchy of bowls that didn't have a new name every year. Winning the Alamo Bowl was a greater accomplishment than winning the Insight.com Bowl. Now they are truly exhibitions where the best players often aren't on the field. It's different.
 
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Winning the whole thing? Because it's the same thing in basketball. Just because a 15 seed can't win the national championship doesn't make it less special when they beat a 2 seed. I understand there are more teams capable of winning the whole thing in basketball, but the point stands. Having a chance is a hell of a lot better than a committee telling us who they think should win.
Basketball isn’t football. In a post season matchup where the teams care (the playoff) that just isn’t happening. In basketball teams can get hot while another team goes cold and the talent just balances out. Football there are way too many players on the field with astronomical differences in size ability and talent. It’s impossible to compare
 
Basketball isn’t football. In a post season matchup where the teams care (the playoff) that just isn’t happening. In basketball teams can get hot while another team goes cold and the talent just balances out. Football there are way too many players on the field with astronomical differences in size ability and talent. It’s impossible to compare
Sorry, it's lazy to dismiss a top 15 team beating a top 5 team. It isn't the David v Goliath you're making it out to be. You have to be good to make a 12-team playoff.
 
It isn't happening the 3 or 4 times in a row it would take. Single game bowl? Sure, upsets can happen there. But not all the way to championship in this format.
Yeah, no ****. I didn't say that. He mentioned a 15/2 matchup aka a 1st round game.

An upset upends the bracket. It gives teams a shot, which is way better than just saying "nope, that would never happen." It isn't Rutgers vs Texas. It's a great G5 team against a beatable P4 team.
 
Yeah, no ****. I didn't say that. An upset upends the bracket. It gives teams a shot, which is way better than just saying "nope, that would never happen." It isn't Rutgers vs Texas. It's a great G5 team against a beatable P4 team.
I believe, strongly, a Big XII team will never win the CFP in its current format.

You're allowed to feel differently.
 
Sorry, it's lazy to dismiss a top 15 team beating a top 5 team. It isn't the David v Goliath you're making it out to be. You have to be good to make a 12-team playoff.
You’re totally missing the point.

I wasn’t talking about a top 15 teams vs a top 5 team. I was talking you’re scenario where a 60th ranked team beats a top 5 team in basketball.

Obv a top 15 team can beat a top 5 team. There are about 6-7 teams ranked below Indiana and BYU that would beat them by 20. But that’s not the argument you were making or at least not what I thought you’re argument was
 
Yeah, no ****. I didn't say that. He mentioned a 15/2 matchup aka a 1st round game.

An upset upends the bracket. It gives teams a shot, which is way better than just saying "nope, that would never happen." It isn't Rutgers vs Texas. It's a great G5 team against a beatable P4 team.
You think a great G5 team can beat a P2 playoff team? Outside of Indiana any G5 team in the playoffs is getting boat raced by any of the P2 reps.
 
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Basketball isn’t football. In a post season matchup where the teams care (the playoff) that just isn’t happening. In basketball teams can get hot while another team goes cold and the talent just balances out. Football there are way too many players on the field with astronomical differences in size ability and talent. It’s impossible to compare
MAKING the NCAA tourney is the only thing that matters in Basketball. Just like MAKING the CFP is now the only thing that matters in football which is why the comparison. Previously in football, there were so many teams that didn't make the CFP, which made non CFP games seem more meaningful.

The new CFP format has drawn a clear line, anything not CFP is comparable to the NIT in basketball (which nobody cares about).

And I disagree, the 12 seed in this years CFP will have a much better chance (albeit small) at winning it all than a 16 seed in the NCAA tourney. But you are missing the point, its not about winning it all, its about MAKING it.
 
You’re totally missing the point.

I wasn’t talking about a top 15 teams vs a top 5 team. I was talking you’re scenario where a 60th ranked team beats a top 5 team in basketball.

Obv a top 15 team can beat a top 5 team. There are about 6-7 teams ranked below Indiana and BYU that would beat them by 20. But that’s not the argument you were making or at least not what I thought you’re argument was
I was talking about a 12 team playoff
 
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You think a great G5 team can beat a P2 playoff team? Outside of Indiana any G5 team in the playoffs is getting boat raced by any of the P2 reps.
Yeah, no way a team like Boise State could compete with a team like Oregon. It's unfathomable. Could you imagine a MAC team trying to compete with a roster like Notre Dame?
 
MAKING the NCAA tourney is the only thing that matters in Basketball. Just like MAKING the CFP is now the only thing that matters in football which is why the comparison. Previously in football, there were so many teams that didn't make the CFP, which made non CFP games seem more meaningful.

The new CFP format has drawn a clear line, anything not CFP is comparable to the NIT in basketball (which nobody cares about).

And I disagree, the 12 seed in this years CFP will have a much better chance (albeit small) at winning it all than a 16 seed in the NCAA tourney. But you are missing the point, it’s not about winning it all, it’s about MAKING it.
Totally disagree that just making the tournament is basketball is what matters. Would ISU be happy making the tourny every year and getting knocked out first round? Doubt it.

For football making the playoff matters because you have a shot to win. Before it was about making the 6 bowls that have been absorbed into the playoff, so there really isn’t any change there. The other bowls didn’t matter to the vast majority of teams that care about football
 
It's probably tongue in cheek, but I would charity bet someone that we won't be in Memphis this year.
 
Yeah, no way a team like Boise State could compete with a team like Oregon. It's unfathomable. Could you imagine a MAC team trying to compete with a roster like Notre Dame?
You understand the difference between playing a team in the regular season vs the playoffs right?

Notre dame shouldn’t even be allowed in the playoff due to losing to a G5 team. That should be immediately disqualifying
 
You understand the difference between playing a team in the regular season vs the playoffs right?

Notre dame shouldn’t even be allowed in the playoff due to losing to a G5 team. That should be immediately disqualifying
Nice try. The point is it can happen. Dismissing it as an impossibility because "well that's different" is dumb.
 
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Nice try. The point is it can happen. Dismissing it as an impossibility because "well that's different" is dumb.
That’s like arguing that since you could win the lottery it’s a good investment. Sure it could happen, it’s not impossible but the odds of it happening are infinitesimal
 
You understand the difference between playing a team in the regular season vs the playoffs right?

Notre dame shouldn’t even be allowed in the playoff due to losing to a G5 team. That should be immediately disqualifying

Who's to say the 'worse' team wouldn't be more hyped up/more prepared/more hitting their stride than the powerhouse when it comes time for the playoff? I disagree that it's this astronomical upset that is virtually impossible, it IS possible & has been done.
 
That’s like arguing that since you could win the lottery it’s a good investment. Sure it could happen, it’s not impossible but the odds of it happening are infinitesimal
That is dumb. A great G5 beating a P4 (or P2 if it makes you feel special) is not infinitesimal. Not even close. We see bigger upsets every year.
 
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