Exactly, and that's why he's going to do it. Like I said, he came back to work on the things he's not good at. People need to realize that these guys aren't Fred Hoiberg they're looking out for themselves first. This team getting 3rd or 7th in conference or making or not making the tournament doesn't have any effect on Monte's draft stock.
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Exactly, and that's why he's going to do it. Like I said, he came back to work on the things he's not good at. People need to realize that these guys aren't Fred Hoiberg they're looking out for themselves first. This team getting 3rd or 7th in conference or making or not making the tournament doesn't have any effect on Monte's draft stock.
Some coaches burn the tape of bad games and move on. I hope he makes them watch it, the first half especially ,10 times until they get sick of it or learn from it.
Cyclonepride
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It will when teams see that he's not that guy and forget about all the good things he is capable of. Maybe they'll develop something that plays to his strengths and he will be, but right now, with the team struggling, he looks ineffective. The two guys and two defenders standing out at the three point line offense certainly isn't getting it.
Boy, you really hate Monte.
And Fred looked out for himself too. Not sure why is your shining example of unselfishness.
A few thoughts after having a night to cool down:
1) I don't mean to go all Jon Miller on you, but it's entirely possible we were too optimistic about this team. Georges was an all-time great. He was the heart and soul of this team for the last 3 years. If you really think back, he made so many incredible end-of-game plays, and always seemed to come through when we needed a bucket. We are often guilty of downplaying the importance of graduating seniors, while glorifying our returning guys. But Georges, and Nader and McKay for that matter, were very, very important, and it will take a while to adjust to that, if it happens at all this year.
2) Monte is a heck of a PG and I'd take him over just about anyone. However, you can tell he is being asked to do something he isn't comfortable with. He may never be a "we need a bucket, go get us a bucket" type scorer. he strives off of flow and pace and having a well balanced offense around him. Having him sit up top and go through screen/re-screen a few times before the shot clock hits 5 and he has to take a tough 15 footer isn't his thing. It isn't offense. Prohm has to figure out a way to get him into a better flow.
Naz is a great kid and a great leader. He still has a place on this team. But he needs to be our spark guy off the bench. His best years came as our spark guy off the bench, and he's perfectly suited for that role. This team needs Babb's steadiness in the starting lineup.
Matt is Matt. He's made great strides, and I love his defense and his ability the work he's done to be able to be multi-dimensional. But he has to take that next step to being a guy you just can't leave open. For this offense to work, he has to make open, spot-up threes.
Burton is confounding. So talented, but sometimes he just disappears. It doesn't look like a conditioning issue, but he will go stretches where he just doesn't look engaged. He has to bring it every game.
One way or another, this is alot of inconsistency that has to come together and come together quickly.
3) This is Prohm's baby now. He wanted to win with defense, and go on record saying we haven't practiced offense much, and that's fine. But that's not what's happening. I think he has the ability to be a fine coach, but for now he's sucked the life out of Iowa State basketball. The offense is completely misguided, and Prohm doesn't appear to have any thoughts on how to fix it.
Lots of potential with this team, and I'm not giving up quite yet, but it's time for Coach to earn his paycheck.
1) I don't mean to go all Jon Miller on you, but it's entirely possible we were too optimistic about this team. Georges was an all-time great. He was the heart and soul of this team for the last 3 years. If you really think back, he made so many incredible end-of-game plays, and always seemed to come through when we needed a bucket. We are often guilty of downplaying the importance of graduating seniors, while glorifying our returning guys. But Georges, and Nader and McKay for that matter, were very, very important, and it will take a while to adjust to that, if it happens at all this year.
2) Monte is a heck of a PG and I'd take him over just about anyone. However, you can tell he is being asked to do something he isn't comfortable with. He may never be a "we need a bucket, go get us a bucket" type scorer. he strives off of flow and pace and having a well balanced offense around him. Having him sit up top and go through screen/re-screen a few times before the shot clock hits 5 and he has to take a tough 15 footer isn't his thing. It isn't offense. Prohm has to figure out a way to get him into a better flow.
Naz is a great kid and a great leader. He still has a place on this team. But he needs to be our spark guy off the bench. His best years came as our spark guy off the bench, and he's perfectly suited for that role. This team needs Babb's steadiness in the starting lineup.
Matt is Matt. He's made great strides, and I love his defense and his ability the work he's done to be able to be multi-dimensional. But he has to take that next step to being a guy you just can't leave open. For this offense to work, he has to make open, spot-up threes.
Burton is confounding. So talented, but sometimes he just disappears. It doesn't look like a conditioning issue, but he will go stretches where he just doesn't look engaged. He has to bring it every game.
One way or another, this is alot of inconsistency that has to come together and come together quickly.
3) This is Prohm's baby now. He wanted to win with defense, and go on record saying we haven't practiced offense much, and that's fine. But that's not what's happening. I think he has the ability to be a fine coach, but for now he's sucked the life out of Iowa State basketball. The offense is completely misguided, and Prohm doesn't appear to have any thoughts on how to fix it.
Lots of potential with this team, and I'm not giving up quite yet, but it's time for Coach to earn his paycheck.
For all those posters putting the blame on Prohm and the coaching staff for not having the team ready to play, this is a quote from Gregg Popovich after the Spurs game last night that could also apply to ISU.
"If you're a plumber & don't do your job, you don't get any work. I don't think a plumber needs a pep talk. You're a basketball player, you come ready...it's your job."
"If you're a plumber & don't do your job, you don't get any work. I don't think a plumber needs a pep talk. You're a basketball player, you come ready...it's your job."
Boy, you really hate Monte.
And Fred looked out for himself too. Not sure why is your shining example of unselfishness.
I'm sure that quote will get a fair bit of mocking, but I have no problem with it. Unless I've way overvalued how good ISU is, they are a better basketball team than Iowa. They just didn't play better last night.
Sometimes the best team doesn't win, sports would be pretty boring if they did.
Cyclonepride
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All that comes down to getting the offense developed into something that is cohesive and coherent. If we can do that, I think things fall into place for all those players.
As far as defense, it's obviously important if this team wants to get where it wants to go, because we aren't getting there on offensive strength alone this year (that should be obvious). As far as Prohm not appearing to have any thoughts on how to fix it- that's just a silly comment. Every team is new and different, and he will be working his butt off to try to find the right combination.
No one but the whiny wing of the ISU fanbase even knows about him running his mouth as it is. You think some NBA scouts are going to care in April?
Of all the guys that had good relationships and seemed on the same page last year with CSP, it was Monte. I don't buy it. Having said that, all I can rmember is how many times Monte carved up Iowa at their place two years ago. Got to the lane at will, and that was supposedly against a much better Iowa team. Of course there was Niang and Holberg there, too. LOL But surely its got to be more than that.
That was a different era. And I don't hate Monte but I know that he wanted to leave after last year 100%. If he would have even had 2nd round sniffs he would probably be gone right now.
And Hoiberg is the guy that stayed with ISU when he could have gone to AZ. Hoiberg is the guy that wanted to come coach here when JP gave the job to GMac and he still came back again after GMac couldn't hack it. You can say waht you want about Fred but the guy has bled Cardinal & Gold and you never know he might again some day when we need it the most.
If it becomes a recurring thing, then yes, that's when it gets labeled as an attitude problem.
You are probably right, but we are a 1/3rd of the way into the year, and I guess I can't point my finger to anything in the last 10 games that I would qualify as an "adjustment". Offense looks the same. Rotation is basically the same. I guess I'm just not seeing adjustments, and we are looking Big 12 play square in the face, and that's certainly not the time to start tinkering.
When Iowa gets Tyler Cook back and learns some defense they could make some noise. I like Frans style of hoops. Refreshing
Cyclonepride
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I've seen some, but it seems like they revert to the same old same old when things get tight. The good news is that we have two games in the next three weeks (and those aren't games that we need huge prep for either). Never underestimate the power of a really embarrassing loss to really wake kids up. Gonzaga was a loss, but wasn't embarrassing in any way, as we caught a top ten team on a hot shooting night and still almost got them. Cincy was more disappointing, but still not what I'd call embarrassing. This one was. This was an ice cold bucket of water to the face that you just can't ignore. As I said last night, this will knock the cocky right out of you.
meh, we'll eventually see if his teams choking late in games was a function of the players he had or him. If it's him, he's gotta go because he isn't recruiting well enough to overcome that.
