Iowa High School BEDS count 24-25

[ElephantPie]

Now get Knoxville to join (and the hell out of the SCC...).

Sounds like Knoxville chose to leave the Little Hawkeye because they were tired of getting knocked around by Pella, Norwalk, DCG, Indianola, etc. They are 83 in latest BEDS so they would be just below DSM Christian and only above Pella Christian. My guess is that they prefer being the bigger fish in the smaller pond. And if the SCC gave them the Waverly-Shellrock treatment, they would probably try going to the West Central or maybe Racoon River conferences over the Little Hawkeye.

 

[Kinch]

I just don’t see Knoxville rejoining Pella Christian.

 

[mustangcy]

I just don’t see Knoxville rejoining Pella Christian.

Oh, me neither. It was mainly a post of frustration...Knoxville just doesn't belong in the SCC. I don't really know or care where they do belong but its not the SCC. Clearly they were invited back to the LH, and with the smaller school division I think they could absolutely complete with PC, or Osky or even DSM Christian now. They fit size wise and certainly fit geographically. Do they fit in a conference were a third of he schools don't even have a grocery store? No.

 

[clones_jer]

Sounds like Knoxville chose to leave the Little Hawkeye because they were tired of getting knocked around by Pella, Norwalk, DCG, Indianola, etc. They are 83 in latest BEDS so they would be just below DSM Christian and only above Pella Christian. My guess is that they prefer being the bigger fish in the smaller pond. And if the SCC gave them the Waverly-Shellrock treatment, they would probably try going to the West Central or maybe Racoon River conferences over the Little Hawkeye.

it's a brutal collection of schools, Newton and Bondurant arent slouches either.

not that Knoxville couldnt field good teams ... but I get it lol.

 

[Kinch]

Nn

Oh, me neither. It was mainly a post of frustration...Knoxville just doesn't belong in the SCC. I don't really know or care where they do belong but it’s not the SCC. Clearly they were invited back to the LH, and with the smaller school division I think they could absolutely complete with PC, or Osky or even DSM Christian now. They fit size wise and certainly fit geographically. Do they fit in a conference were a third of he schools don't even have a grocery store? No.

Knoxville had problems getting kids out for sports in the Little Hawkeye, I heard.

 

[Antihawk240]

Alburnett joins the River Valley Conference. This is a good fit. In terms of 2A schools (with Bellevue 1A & Maquoketa 3A) the River Valley is an insanely competitive conference.

 

[Cyowa 14]

Sounds like Knoxville chose to leave the Little Hawkeye because they were tired of getting knocked around by Pella, Norwalk, DCG, Indianola, etc. They are 83 in latest BEDS so they would be just below DSM Christian and only above Pella Christian. My guess is that they prefer being the bigger fish in the smaller pond. And if the SCC gave them the Waverly-Shellrock treatment, they would probably try going to the West Central or maybe Racoon River conferences over the Little Hawkeye.

West Central wise I've heard everything from staying pat at 10 schools or adding a few right now with the expectation that van meter will leave in the next 5 years. The 2 schools I've heard the most are Clarke and Greene County but no idea if there is any validity to those 2. Haven't heard Knoxville mentioned but they are extremely close to Pleasantville

 

[Cyowa 14]

I heard Woodward is goung to Heart of Iowa and WCAC is inviting Adair.

That would be an interesting move for Woodard, seems kind of lateral plus a bit more travel. Who is Adair? They already have ACGC which I thought was Adair Casey Guthrie Center

 

[CloneJD]

West Central wise I've heard everything from staying pat at 10 schools or adding a few right now with the expectation that van meter will leave in the next 5 years. The 2 schools I've heard the most are Clarke and Greene County but no idea if there is any validity to those 2. Haven't heard Knoxville mentioned but they are extremely close to Pleasantville

I heard woodward is going to Heart of Iowa and WCAC had a replacement lined up to get back to 10 but can’t remember who.

 

[Cyowa 14]

I heard woodward is going to Heart of Iowa and WCAC had a replacement lined up to get back to 10 but can’t remember who.

Looking at the schools in the heart of Iowa and the west central and it kind of seems like they should just join together and make it a 20 team super conference. I thought that about the racoon river and the little Hawkeye as well too

 

[NWICY]

Looking at the schools in the heart of Iowa and the west central and it kind of seems like they should just join together and make it a 20 team super conference. I thought that about the racoon river and the little Hawkeye as well too

Don't follow HS stuff really closely, is there any advantages to super conferences in HS.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Don't follow HS stuff really closely, is there any advantages to super conferences in HS.

Not really outside of making scheduling easier, but it also creates all kinds of problems. Biggest advantage outside of scheduling would be you can set it up with a large and small school divisions to even out the numbers game. Disadvantage would be increased travel, not playing some teams every year, and after placing teams in divisions you can end up with a B10 West group of schools that are not competitive with the other schools in the conference. The South East Iowa Superconference has been around for quite a while and they make it work, but its not been great for some of the schools.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Don't follow HS stuff really closely, is there any advantages to super conferences in HS.

There’s no advantages for HS sports conference realignment as far as I can see except cutting travel time and expenses. There’s no benefit to being good or winning championships. Free agents aren’t going to take a discount because Knoxville is on the beach, or ABGCFWK hired your middle school coach. TV isn’t coming in with a big deal because your conference has good football.

tl;dr - A-2A should just play together in as close of a group as possible

-3A-5A should do the same

 

[2speedy1]

There’s no advantages for HS sports conference realignment as far as I can see except cutting travel time and expenses. There’s no benefit to being good or winning championships. Free agents aren’t going to take a discount because Knoxville is on the beach, or ABGCFWK hired your middle school coach. TV isn’t coming in with a big deal because your conference has good football.

tl;dr - A-2A should just play together in as close of a group as possible

-3A-5A should do the same

A lot of it is because of school district mergers, district growth or shrinking.

Some school districts are rapidly growing, while others are slowly shrinking, then you have some merging and close to doubling in size overnight. So what happens when you have schools that are drastically different sizes than they were when they joined their historical conference.

This has happened a lot around the state where you have schools that are 2+ classes larger than others in the same conference, which has caused a lot of movement recently to try balance the conferences.

At the same time some of this has caused a lot of other issues and arguments among conferences, with some feeling forced out etc. and the politics of the system.

 

[2speedy1]

That would be an interesting move for Woodard, seems kind of lateral plus a bit more travel. Who is Adair? They already have ACGC which I thought was Adair Casey Guthrie Center

I dont know all the reasons, but here are a couple probable ones.
First, Woodward Granger is a historical Heart of Iowa school, so they have some history and connections there, as prior to 2009 they were in the Heart of Iowa conf.

And second which is probably the bigger one, is Woodward Granger is about to go through a huge jump in class size and the schools in Heart of Iowa are for the most part all bigger and will be more in line with where Woodward Granger will be moving forward.

Woodward Granger class sizes for 8th grade and above are all in the 60 +/- students per class range, for 7th grade and below they are all near or above 100 per class. So in a matter of a couple years their BEDS number is going to nearly double. And with the rapid growth happening in that area it will only continue to go up.

In a few years their BEDS Number will easily put the district somewhere between Perry and Nevada in size and blow past DM Christian in size as the largest school in the WCAC by a long shot. I can see them move up the the Raccoon River conference in the not so distant future, which they also have a history with prior to Heart of Iowa. By 2030 Woodward Granger will have a BEDS number >400, currently the its just over 200.

 

[BCClone]

Don't follow HS stuff really closely, is there any advantages to super conferences in HS.

No

 

[Kinch]

Don't follow HS stuff really closely, is there any advantages to super conferences in HS.

At the start, the SEISC was good for the schools. Now the disparity between large and small schools, hurts large schools in seeding and it also has bred mistrust because of alleged recruiting of top athletes.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

At the start, the SEISC was good for the schools. Now the disparity between large and small schools, hurts large schools in seeding and it also has bred mistrust because of alleged recruiting of top athletes.

The schools in the Southern part of the conference have been hurt by school closings, and Cardinal leaving the conference, has to make for a lot of long bus trips for schools like VB and Central Lee.

 

[heitclone]

Shenandoah has been invited to the Western Iowa conference. Probably a better fit. They are just overmatched playing bigger Hawkeye ten schools.

 

[2speedy1]

Honestly, the fairest system, while not perfect its probably more fair and less political than the current conference system would be to move all sports to the District system that Football uses. And really the transition would not be that difficult since they already do it every couple years for Football, just make that the same district for all sports.

In some cases though this does lead to more travel etc because getting the number of schools the same size in certain areas and classes sometimes means more distance between them. In reality though no system is going to be perfect, but to at least get the schools to play similar sized competition etc it really is probably the only way to do it.