How important are internships?

Totally agree with this. Unfortunately, we won't see this until they start working. There are great interviewees (I had 2 people recently who came with glowing resume and experience and looked excellent during interview - both ended up not working after couple of months because they had horrible attitude and work ethic) and there are also "fit" factor that is subjective. You can say the same things to different hiring managers and get different responses that could end up getting a job or not.

Back to the original question: that's why internship is useful to stand out during the recruiting process: you have your degree, but your ex-boss(es) will be the one(s) who can provide further insights about your character, work ethics and people skills. Got my first job in the US here because I interned for 3 months in regional accounting firm in WDM. My former boss (blessed his soul in heaven) vouched my character and work ethic to the hiring manager and that made the difference.

Agreed. We tell all our intern candidates that the internship is a 3 month interview, both for the company and for the student.
 
It's pretty obvious companies don't care about competence anymore. It is all about who you know and not what you know. In other words companies are lemmings and play follow the leader.

There are companies who still care about competence and there are who you exactly described. I've seen both of them and internship will be good too to help figuring out whether you want to work in those companies or not after you graduate.

Part of navigating the job is the good fit: whether the culture fits you or not. I've seen places that are 100% professional, I've seen places where they are similar to high school with different cliques and fancy titles earned by never missing happy hours.

A little bit off topic: I am not sure what is taught during business ethics classes at school and ISU, but I felt that time the topics were limited to "doing the right thing" (don't steal, report your result correctly, etc), but there were no questions such as: why you need to make 14 million/year while you constantly laying off people? in reality, will you promote someone who is competent or someone who hangs out with you? These are real topics and hopefully will force the next generation in the workforce to start thinking and act accordingly in the future when they are at that level
 
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There are companies who still care about competence and there are who you exactly described. I've seen both of them and internship will be good too to help figuring out whether you want to work in those companies or not after you graduate.

Part of navigating the job is the good fit: whether the culture fits you or not. I've seen places that are 100% professional, I've seen places where they are similar to high school with different cliques and fancy titles earned by never missing happy hours.

A little bit off topic: I am not sure what is taught during business ethics classes at school and ISU, but I felt that time the topics were limited to "doing the right thing" (don't steal, report your result correctly, etc), but there were no questions such as: why you need to make 14 million/year while you constantly laying off people? in reality, will you promote someone who is competent or someone who hangs out with you? These are real topics and hopefully will force the next generation in the workforce to start thinking and act accordingly in the future when they are at that level


With ethics classes, I may be off, but have felt they are kinda late come college time. A person has had many of their morals and ethics established by that time. Not saying they can't change, I've had some evolve over time, but telling someone that taking money under the table to favor someone is wrong doesn't seem to go a long ways if they don't think its that big of an issue already.
 
Your career of marrying a doctor?

I actually earn several more times the money than she does now.

Then again, they pay residents only modestly.

Given her specialty, we will likely end up roughly even with each other.
 
Very. Earlier the better. Not sure what her major is but if she's a business student, I would consider it necessary. She probably won't get one after he freshman year but after her sophomore year isn't unheard of. For sure after her junior year though.

I did a Co-Op in what would have been spring semester of my junior year, Co-Ops last 6 months and I took off a semester to do it, instead of the traditional summer internship which lasts 2-3 months. I found this very helpful and got great experience (making a decent amount of money didn't suck either).
 
When we recruit at ISU for engineering grads, competency isn't really the question. If they are graduating with a degree in engineering from ISU, they have displayed the minimum level of competence for an entry level position.

The rest is about character, work ethic, and people skills. Someone can have a 4.0 GPA, be president of every club on campus, and done internships at the top engineering companies all 4 years. But if they show up late and come off like a douche during the interview, we're not hiring them.

Anyone who shows up late and acts like a douche is not getting a job. Their skills will not matter. The problem is that you are going to miss the smartest and most creative people but they usually go create their own thing anyway.
 
There are companies who still care about competence and there are who you exactly described. I've seen both of them and internship will be good too to help figuring out whether you want to work in those companies or not after you graduate.

Part of navigating the job is the good fit: whether the culture fits you or not. I've seen places that are 100% professional, I've seen places where they are similar to high school with different cliques and fancy titles earned by never missing happy hours.

A little bit off topic: I am not sure what is taught during business ethics classes at school and ISU, but I felt that time the topics were limited to "doing the right thing" (don't steal, report your result correctly, etc), but there were no questions such as: why you need to make 14 million/year while you constantly laying off people? in reality, will you promote someone who is competent or someone who hangs out with you? These are real topics and hopefully will force the next generation in the workforce to start thinking and act accordingly in the future when they are at that level

Well when there are certain large corporations that are never held accountable for stealing and committing fraud against their own customers then I won't hold out for much improvement. Those places are lost causes and just have to eventually let fail. Small business has long been the real driving force in America and the places that can still produce some new ideas.
 

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