How Great is 8?

8 wins this regular season is slightly disappointing given the schedule.

On a larger scale: Comparing results in 2025 to football of the past is the wrong frame. In the current big 12 we should get 7 wins a year and our win total expectations need to rise from the 60’s, 70’s 80’s and 90’s. Football has moved on from that time and so has Iowa State.
 
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8 wins this regular season is slightly disappointing given the schedule.

On a larger scale: Comparing results in 2025 to football of the past is the wrong frame. In the current big 12 we should get 7 wins a year and our win total expectations need to rise from the 60’s, 70’s 80’s and 90’s. Football has moved on from that time and so has Iowa State.

When ISU has been decent in any decade, they won 6-8 games in the regular season, no matter what make up of the Big 8 or Big 12 was. They won 7-8 and were competitive with top conference teams early in the CMC era, and have maintained that.

Doing so consistently no matter the era or make up of the conference imo means things are the best they've been.
 
In my lifetime as an adult fan (1999-present, past 27 seasons), in the regular season we've averaged 5.7 wins and have won eight or more games only four other times. So from that perspective it's pretty damn good. But given how we started and how weak the schedule was this year, it's for sure a disappointing total. 10+ was absolutely on the table.

Four of those five seasons have come under CMC, and excepting his first year, he's averaged 7.3 regular-season wins per year, which I think is another reason 8-4 feels underwhelming even though it's historically a fantastic record for us.
 
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I’m happy with 8 wins and see the season as a good one with the injury issues. I am disappointed with the overall outcome because a healthy is a playoff contender for sure.
I'm here as well, for the most part.

I have been vocal that I personally don't see the significance/relevance of comparing Iowa State 2025 to past historical teams and eras. I remember those days in the early 90's when there were like 412 people in the stands and the turf looked harder and more painful than the parking lot. It's just such a different world though now - nearly nothing about "us" - or college football in general - is remotely the same as it was 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, etc. The conference is light years different. And this matters, a lot. I truly believe Campbell and the staff expect to contend for a conference title every year. And I do not believe any other previous staff has ever remotely operated this way. The path to being consistently a very good team (where 8 wins can be reasonably considered somewhat disappointing) starts with the fact that the conference is not only much easier - but it is so much bigger. It's flat out common to get a favorable schedule where you simply don't even play all the other good teams on your own league.

Respectfully, it drives me nuts to see fans take so much open pride with "more with less" because that's often how they donate...e.g., less. This is "lovable loser" talk. I guarantee if a fan went up to Matt Campbell and told him how proud they are for getting to 8 wins doing 'more with less' he would smile politely and secretly be really pissed off. Like, sincerely frustrated. He doesn't want to do more with less. He wants more. He deserves more. He wants Iowa State to compete. He wants bigger/faster/better players and that costs money. He wants/needs our big donors to be bigger donors. He wants/needs the fans at the $1,000 level to be at the $5,000 level and the fans at the $10,000 level to get to $50,000. Sound nutty? Insane? Yep! Welcome to 2025, where the world of college athletics is nothing like it was in 1994 or 2003 or 2013 when we sucked at football. And I do not for a second believe Iowa State doesn't have the donor/alumni base to be MUCH bigger players in the NIL game, including donors that are able to give big sums of money. It will require some major mindset changes though, and a lot of letting go of the past. And transparently, a fundraising arm that has the sales pitch mentality that goes big, then bigger, then bigger.

And so we're clear - this isn't a comfortable spot for much of Cyclone Nation. I grew up in West Central Iowa - I KNOW what it is like to have to put up with the horrible, douchy, disgusting, unearned arrogance of suckeye and husker fans. They are the worst. The absolute worst. Not just on gameday. These fans suck in day to day interactions. They were pricks back in the day. They still are. I watched parts of their game Friday and I wanted somehow both teams to lose -100 to -100 and there would be a lead off story on SportsCenter as it was the first time in sports history that 2 teams have ever scored negative points somehow and both lost, embarrassingly. Those fanbases deserve that. They don't deserve nice things.

To summarize my weird rant here, I am glad we won 8 games but believe firmly we SHOULD have won 10. IMHO, we didn't lose 4 in a row because of injuries. We lost 4 in a row because of lack of discipline through these games. And this is the exact same thing the head coach said during his pressers and interviews during this timeframe. I agree with him. We should have been 2-2 at worse during that stretch, this yeaer, with this group, with these injuries. The good news is - we are a very good and stable program right now. We don't need to start every podcast or lead every broadcast with "...I'm old enough to remember when Iowa State wasn't very good.." - because it doesn't matter. Expect to win and continue expecting to win. And don't act like an arrogant dbag suckeye or husker fan along with way.
 
I'm here as well, for the most part.

I have been vocal that I personally don't see the significance/relevance of comparing Iowa State 2025 to past historical teams and eras. I remember those days in the early 90's when there were like 412 people in the stands and the turf looked harder and more painful than the parking lot. It's just such a different world though now - nearly nothing about "us" - or college football in general - is remotely the same as it was 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, etc. The conference is light years different. And this matters, a lot. I truly believe Campbell and the staff expect to contend for a conference title every year. And I do not believe any other previous staff has ever remotely operated this way. The path to being consistently a very good team (where 8 wins can be reasonably considered somewhat disappointing) starts with the fact that the conference is not only much easier - but it is so much bigger. It's flat out common to get a favorable schedule where you simply don't even play all the other good teams on your own league.

Respectfully, it drives me nuts to see fans take so much open pride with "more with less" because that's often how they donate...e.g., less. This is "lovable loser" talk. I guarantee if a fan went up to Matt Campbell and told him how proud they are for getting to 8 wins doing 'more with less' he would smile politely and secretly be really pissed off. Like, sincerely frustrated. He doesn't want to do more with less. He wants more. He deserves more. He wants Iowa State to compete. He wants bigger/faster/better players and that costs money. He wants/needs our big donors to be bigger donors. He wants/needs the fans at the $1,000 level to be at the $5,000 level and the fans at the $10,000 level to get to $50,000. Sound nutty? Insane? Yep! Welcome to 2025, where the world of college athletics is nothing like it was in 1994 or 2003 or 2013 when we sucked at football. And I do not for a second believe Iowa State doesn't have the donor/alumni base to be MUCH bigger players in the NIL game, including donors that are able to give big sums of money. It will require some major mindset changes though, and a lot of letting go of the past. And transparently, a fundraising arm that has the sales pitch mentality that goes big, then bigger, then bigger.

And so we're clear - this isn't a comfortable spot for much of Cyclone Nation. I grew up in West Central Iowa - I KNOW what it is like to have to put up with the horrible, douchy, disgusting, unearned arrogance of suckeye and husker fans. They are the worst. The absolute worst. Not just on gameday. These fans suck in day to day interactions. They were pricks back in the day. They still are. I watched parts of their game Friday and I wanted somehow both teams to lose -100 to -100 and there would be a lead off story on SportsCenter as it was the first time in sports history that 2 teams have ever scored negative points somehow and both lost, embarrassingly. Those fanbases deserve that. They don't deserve nice things.

To summarize my weird rant here, I am glad we won 8 games but believe firmly we SHOULD have won 10. IMHO, we didn't lose 4 in a row because of injuries. We lost 4 in a row because of lack of discipline through these games. And this is the exact same thing the head coach said during his pressers and interviews during this timeframe. I agree with him. We should have been 2-2 at worse during that stretch, this yeaer, with this group, with these injuries. The good news is - we are a very good and stable program right now. We don't need to start every podcast or lead every broadcast with "...I'm old enough to remember when Iowa State wasn't very good.." - because it doesn't matter. Expect to win and continue expecting to win. And don't act like an arrogant dbag suckeye or husker fan along with way.

So with it not being OK to be OK with ISU getting 8ish wins which historically they haven't done that often, if they play a decent opponent that wasn't very good 2-3 seasons prior, that recent history isn't a crutch for if/when they beat ISU, correct?
 
8-4 is a solid season. But it is not an amazing season. And I don't care how that stacks up favorably to our history. The Big 12 we play in today is the weakest football conference in my lifetime. 8 wins today is much easier to come by than in the 80s or 90s.
 
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8-4 is a solid season. But it is not an amazing season. And I don't care how that stacks up favorably to our history. The Big 12 we play in today is the weakest football conference in my lifetime. 8 wins today is much easier to come by than in the 80s or 90s.

Ehhh....I'm not sure it is weaker than the Big 12 North was.
 
Why do we need to be “more like” any other team? We are in charge of our own destiny.
That is my point. There isn't another program we would want to be like but you don't like our program. You can't point to a program that is performing better than us. Help us 'settlers for mediocrity' understand what we should aspire for our program to be.

I think you must have some very bold and unique ideas about what a top tier Big XII program should be like and how to get there. I hope you are sharing these with CMC and JP.
 
That is my point. There isn't another program we would want to be like but you don't like our program. You can't point to a program that is performing better than us. Help us 'settlers for mediocrity' understand what we should aspire for our program to be.

I think you must have some very bold and unique ideas about what a top tier Big XII program should be like and how to get there. I hope you are sharing these with CMC and JP.
Well, being more like Texas Tech in NIL spending might be good?
 
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Well, being more like Texas Tech in NIL spending might be good?
Maybe, lets see how the playoffs go.

With that said, I don't want to get in the way of someone laying down 10s of millions for our Nil. Do we think that is something CMC/Jamie or anyone at ISU can influence? Who should we hold accountable for this.?
 
That is my point. There isn't another program we would want to be like but you don't like our program. You can't point to a program that is performing better than us. Help us 'settlers for mediocrity' understand what we should aspire for our program to be.

I think you must have some very bold and unique ideas about what a top tier Big XII program should be like and how to get there. I hope you are sharing these with CMC and JP.

Learn how to manage a clock/timeouts and run offensive schemes that, you know, work. There are basic coaching mistakes that continue to cost us 2+ wins a year.
 
Learn how to manage a clock/timeouts and run offensive schemes that, you know, work. There are basic coaching mistakes that continue to cost us 2+ wins a year.

Also, new this year — coach special teams on what to do when receiving punts. Because apparently that just isn’t happening.
 
Learn how to manage a clock/timeouts and run offensive schemes that, you know, work. There are basic coaching mistakes that continue to cost us 2+ wins a year.
You are absolutely correct. They aren't perfect. But last I checked, every coach in the league is making some basic coaching mistakes. Which coach in the Big XII makes did you want to switch for again? Which one has performed better over the last "you choose" how many years?

While you are at it, give the metrics that will tell us if the offensive schemes, you know, work. Just save us a lot of bickering back and forth here with giving some objective measures that will indicate when we arrive at an acceptable level of performance - and I know you are loath to compare us to other teams but if you could share 2-3 teams that consistently meet those objectives, hey, that would help us commoners better understand advance CFB analytics.
 
Maybe, lets see how the playoffs go.

With that said, I don't want to get in the way of someone laying down 10s of millions for our Nil. Do we think that is something CMC/Jamie or anyone at ISU can influence? Who should we hold accountable for this.?
I’m going to say @LAClone. They seem motivated and LA is an affluent area that should make fundraising lucrative.
 
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You are absolutely correct. They aren't perfect. But last I checked, every coach in the league is making some basic coaching mistakes. Which coach in the Big XII makes did you want to switch for again? Which one has performed better over the last "you choose" how many years?

While you are at it, give the metrics that will tell us if the offensive schemes, you know, work. Just save us a lot of bickering back and forth here with giving some objective measures that will indicate when we arrive at an acceptable level of performance - and I know you are loath to compare us to other teams but if you could share 2-3 teams that consistently meet those objectives, hey, that would help us commoners better understand advance CFB analytics.

I don’t know what you’re looking for. It’s rare to see Big 12 / Div 1 teams make the sort of game-day coaching mistakes that we have regularly seen for the last decade. We’re actually an oddity in this regard; I could gesture wildly at the entire Big 12 as a step up (even Coach Prime, although he has numerous other faults that I wouldn’t wish on any team).
 
I don’t know what you’re looking for. It’s rare to see Big 12 / Div 1 teams make the sort of game-day coaching mistakes that we have regularly seen for the last decade. We’re actually an oddity in this regard; I could gesture wildly at the entire Big 12 as a step up (even Coach Prime, although he has numerous other faults that I wouldn’t wish on any team).
Hahaha

You would take the program at CU over what CMC has built.

While I wasn't really expecting you to bring something objective and rational to the debate, I didn't think you would go pure idiot out of the gate.

You go ahead and wish for JP to hire the next 'Deion'. Have a good time.