Their BEDS number is 50 less than urbandale and they jumped about 55 kids year-over-year this year.
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If DC-G leaves--
Ames
Des Moines Christian
Indianola
Newton
Norwalk
Oskaloosa
Pella Christian
Urbandale is an outlier in the league, though. DCG will pass up Urbandale soon, but I don't think Urbandale is long for the CIML. The vote was close last time, and another couple years of that gap widening and I suspect enough will flip to wanting to get out. Otherwise DCGs closest is Dowling, a private that probably still has maybe a BEDS of 1000-1100?
DCG is generally good at sports and would be fine in the CIML. But LHC will be solid as well. I wish Urbandale would've jumped to LHC. Having DCG, Ames, Urbandale, Norwalk and Indianola as peer schools that have their strengths in different sports would be a decent league. Throw in the smaller schools in the league that have some good sports, and it's solid.
EDIT - I forgot Pella was leaving for RRC, which kind of sucks.
In Iowa I think if you can get a league with 4-5 reasonably comparable schools, with various strengths in different sports, that's about as good as it's going to get.
DCG would be fine either way. They can have some good reasonable peer schools in either LHC or CIML.
Waterloo East and West are combining a bunch of teams this fall prior to the merger of the two high school. Volleyball, Cross Country, Bowling and Boys Wrestling will be combined next year.
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Tim Moses to lead athletics as Waterloo high schools combine teams
The Waterloo School Board named Tim Moses as the first athletic director for Waterloo United High School.
Oskaloosa is leaving for the Southeast Conference, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Pella Christian leave, too.
At one time, the plan was for DCG and Norwalk to eventually join the CIML, along with the third Waukee high school, bringing the CIML to 12 schools.
I don't have any real ties to Waterloo but I'll be rooting for them to have success in a few sports. Tim Moses is an incredible dudeWaterloo East and West are combining a bunch of teams this fall prior to the merger of the two high school. Volleyball, Cross Country, Bowling and Boys Wrestling will be combined next year.
Tim Moses to lead athletics as Waterloo high schools combine teams
The Waterloo School Board named Tim Moses as the first athletic director for Waterloo United High School.
At this point maybe Ames, DCG, Norwalk and Indianola need to join the CIML and split the league up into two divisions by size. Something like this, though they might want to play around with it based on economic multipliers, success factors, etc:
Large:
Valley, Johnston, Waukee, Waukee NW, Centennial, SEP, Ankeny
Small:
Dowling, New Waukee HS, Ames, Urbandale, DCG, Norwalk, Indianola
It seems like there are some good solutions to the larger central Iowa schools. I'd like to see something like the above, and as far as the metros, have them stay with FD, Marshalltown, and Ottumwa to make an 8 team league, maybe get Newton in there.
Then in a few years I could see B-F and NP getting big enough to join the smaller school division of the CIML and bump up Dowling and the new Waukee school, for example.
I don't think in Central Iowa among the 3A-5A schools conference size is that important. An AD might disagree, but it seems like non-con scheduling opportunities are plentiful.
Tim does a better job of making chicken soup out of chicken **** than any AD in the state. The coaches he's hired for the most part have all been pretty good at least in my interactions with them. The problem East has had for decades is that they can't keep their kids eligible and out of trouble over there. I expect that he'll continue to make good coaching hires with the combined schools. He lives over near me in the West district and when my son was going door to door selling those stupid peeler cards Tim would buy them from every West player that stopped by to sell them. He's an outstanding human and Waterloo is lucky to have him.
I get the whole East / West division but there will be an occasional "out of conference" schedule. Decorah to Grinnell is a 3 hr drive. Man you would have to think that Marion and Vinton are gonna pick up the phone and inquire to the River Valley.
My son is a freshman at Norwalk... We played Waukee NW, Ankeny, SEP and got boat raced in each game. We had half the kids on the sideline that those schools had. We had only 1 kid play up in varsity, the rest stayed freshman. We are no where near ready in football to compete with the CIML. We were outnumbered and sized by almost everyone.
We were comparable to Indianola, Sioux City East, Ames, Urbandale. But man that top side is scary.
Basketball and baseball could be the same story...
Norwalk coach here...football is excluded from conference discussions. State schedules football by district so conference has no impact here. All other sports impacted by conference due to scheduling.
Football is districts so this doesn’t really apply.
Norwalk soccer just beat waukee and ankeny. I know DCG has beaten a lot of CIML teams in BB and soccer too. Both Norwalk and DCG will soon be 4a in all sports anyway.
Football is its own animal because of districts and the impact of sheer numbers.
Other sports overall it would be tough. But if the scheduling is like 2 games each vs in-division in basketball and 4 in baseball, then only once/year in the other division, then it’s not bad.
It’s kind of why I like small conferences where it’s competitive, then schools can go schedule noncon as they please competitively. But I suspect ADs prefer not having big noncon slates to fill.
Reality is no matter the class, sport and region, competitive balance is hard to achieve. Some sports more than others. When my daughter was in basketball they’d have weeks where they would lose by 40 then win by 50. There were maybe like 2 games on the schedule that you had less than a 95% confidence what the result would be. That sucks. They’d be .500 or better, but it was like almost no competitive games.
I think baseball would be ok. Ames and Indianola have been competitive with CIML schools. Ames loads up the noncon against CIML and teams like Cedar Falls, Kennedy. I think they were like 5-7 against CIML plus Cedar Falls. Then they went like 20-4 in their league or something like that.
I’ve been told the Norwalk soccer coach isnt very good. @soccercy what do you think about the coach? <jimlad>
True on football... We are already in the 5a for football and yes conferences don't matter since it is districts. Just pointing out the top end schools which are in the CIML conference for other sports spanked us.
We are classified 4a for the other main sports. I can't speak for soccer since my son doesn't play.. Sorry Coach. But basketball and baseball we are so so at best and that's in the Little Hawkeye Conference. Being in the CIML would be tough. Maybe they need to narrow 4a down from 46 to 30 and that would leave all schools with 1000 and above. Although that leaves the inner city schools that have trouble competing also.
