They had to switch to artificial turf in Iowa City as their cheerleaders over grazed and were killing the grass.
Greetings from a Clemson fan....
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Your QB looked like the next great college QB in South Bend last year. What happened?
DO you have any idea how Clemson's ticket sales are going? I've not heard anything from ISU which tell me they are not great.
The opposite. It won’t likely make another 10 years imo.
In football that conference is worse than Pac12 bad if Clemson is something closer to pre-Dabo. The Dabo fluke has hidden that football in that conference has been decaying for 15 years. That’s what happens when your conference overlaps with the SEC and now BIG.
And now basketball is mediocre. Duke was the only team in top-25? That would have been unheard of at one time. Better hope there is no slippage with Coach K retiring. Meanwhile the SEC is starting to become a top-3 basketball conference. That will register with Tobacco Road
Obviously things are a bit cyclical, but the overall direction is clear, and that’s BEFORE the revenue disadvantages start to suffocate the ACC. There will be wandering eyes and departures in the next 5-10 years. ESPN, the sole counterparty, will broker a divide so that enough are content in better conferences that the GOR is worthless
ISU grad here who has lived in Cedar Rapids (20 minutes north of Iowa City) for most of my life.
I have enjoyed reading through this thread - didn't realize the parallels between our two universities.
I won't repeat all the examples others have provided, but they are all accurate. Living so close to Iowa City makes it 10x worse.
The one thing I will add is how our local media (TV + print) go out of their way to promote Iowa. It's almost like Iowa has their own PR firm with media.. Objectivity doesn't exist. A great ISU win is always overshadowed by "anything Iowa". On the flip side, anything negative that comes out of Iowa City (eg. racism scandal) is swept under the rug. Local "reporters" ask Kirkkk Ferentz "softball" questions.
Finally, their "fans" are as fickle as they come. One week, they want to fire Ferentz, the entire coaching staff, and their AD. The next week (after beating a crap Big 10 West team), all is well, and they are among the nation's elite. Our local media will build Kentucky up to a point where you swear they are playing Alabama.
I hope for a great game vs. Clemson. Nice to play a "big boy" program.
I have enjoyed reading through this thread - didn't realize the parallels between our two universities.
I won't repeat all the examples others have provided, but they are all accurate. Living so close to Iowa City makes it 10x worse.
The one thing I will add is how our local media (TV + print) go out of their way to promote Iowa. It's almost like Iowa has their own PR firm with media.. Objectivity doesn't exist. A great ISU win is always overshadowed by "anything Iowa". On the flip side, anything negative that comes out of Iowa City (eg. racism scandal) is swept under the rug. Local "reporters" ask Kirkkk Ferentz "softball" questions.
Finally, their "fans" are as fickle as they come. One week, they want to fire Ferentz, the entire coaching staff, and their AD. The next week (after beating a crap Big 10 West team), all is well, and they are among the nation's elite. Our local media will build Kentucky up to a point where you swear they are playing Alabama.
I hope for a great game vs. Clemson. Nice to play a "big boy" program.
Every conference can point to down turns.
ACC has been bad the past 2 or 3, but prior to that the big10 was as "bad" as ACC is "now". The 2 or 3 before that the ACC was right there with sec.
Then also comments like "as bad as pac10" is just off. As bad as the acc is this year, not too far off big10 and big12.
IMO - acc, big10, big12 have been about the same. 1 dominant team ... sec would have 2 (their fans act like they have 6).
We can all find things to pick at to show the conference is "better".
ACC will be just fine, and isn't going anywhere was my point.
ACC has been bad the past 2 or 3, but prior to that the big10 was as "bad" as ACC is "now". The 2 or 3 before that the ACC was right there with sec.
Then also comments like "as bad as pac10" is just off. As bad as the acc is this year, not too far off big10 and big12.
IMO - acc, big10, big12 have been about the same. 1 dominant team ... sec would have 2 (their fans act like they have 6).
We can all find things to pick at to show the conference is "better".
ACC will be just fine, and isn't going anywhere was my point.
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There is little numerical separation in those strength of schedule numbers. Count me as not impressed with the metric as a useful visualization tool.
Exactly. There's little difference in the conferences.
My point wasn't the ACC is "better" or anything, just that the ACC isn't going anywhere.
Has KCRG posted the Iowa-ISU bball score yet?
I went there to check some other stuff and their win over some directional school was front and center.
TV revenues say otherwise. The ACC without Clemson being elite is in major trouble, suddenly becoming also second place regionally in basketball is just another nail.
The only question is after this down cycle for the ACC, is will there be enough brands, or any, that add value to the SEC or BIG. Imo it will be a means to an end for the SEC and ESPN.
I think a lot of schools, relative to their place in their own conference, were feeling the pressure to hire well this fall. Not all of them did of course, but still it feels like there is something coming that programs want to be on the right side of when it happens.
I am not even sure any of them know what the "thing" is going to be yet.
I am not even sure any of them know what the "thing" is going to be yet.
There are some here who maybe think they know what might happen in the future. The fact is we don't know. Most all of us here hate what might be happening with college football, realignment, potential mega-conferences, etc.
It's a shame IMO.
Here's hoping conferences (other than BIG, SEC) like the ACC, Big 12, Pac 12 stay viable and intact. My hope anyway. I guess we'll know soon enough.
I don’t think it’s going away. Viewership numbers is the piece I’ve seen that when stacked up don’t bode the ACC kindly.
They need to be coddled so much it’s insane. That fan base thinks if you say something often enough and loud enough then it just becomes true.
The ACC, due to a much smaller overall alumni base, will never rival the following of schools in the other power 5. That said the footprint for recruiting has its advantages and unless a school completely abandons even trying they will be players in whatever lies ahead.
Clemson fans have never been "conference fans", I've never pulled for unc or duke in hoops nor fsu in football. SEC fans through talk radio and message boards have made it so folks route for historical rivals. Nuts.
