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clonedude

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My relatively uneducated opinion says... if everything goes our way, and all our guys bring their A game, we could barely pull out a win at Iowa... but it's much more likely that this dual won't even really be that close and Iowa wins quite comfortably... correct?
 

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My relatively uneducated opinion says... if everything goes our way, and all our guys bring their A game, we could barely pull out a win at Iowa... but it's much more likely that this dual won't even really be that close and Iowa wins quite comfortably... correct?

There are a fair amount of toss ups. I was penciling a win for Casey against Block. 133 is a toss up. Hopefully Frost can have a nice size and strength advantage.

125 could be a win but I’d trust Kysen more due to experience (can’t believe I’m saying this)

149 will be match of the night

157 loss, a healthy Paniro still likely loses

165 likely loss but Euton will battle

174 loss

184 should be fun

197 closer than anyone thinks. I’m calling my shot. Give me Carroll because **** em.

Hwt Yonger
 

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My relatively uneducated opinion says... if everything goes our way, and all our guys bring their A game, we could barely pull out a win at Iowa... but it's much more likely that this dual won't even really be that close and Iowa wins quite comfortably... correct?
I would say, correct. We are probably not much upgraded at 125 like many hoped. 41 and 57 just took huge hits with injuries. If paniro can't go I don't see Kane keeping that match close at all. 74 has been disappointing. If this is the meet you just casually watch hoping to see us knock off iowa I am not liking our chances. If you are watching to see some top 10 level dual wrestling and some competitive high level dudes it's still gonna be a great dual to watch.
Here's my matches to watch
33 frost Ayala 2 bona fide top 6 guys going at it
49 parco and ech see above
97 iowas number 1 guy vs our big time recruit who is super talented, shocked if we win this one but great measuring stick for carroll
84 is bockman the real deal at 84?
Hwt does yonger major or worse or is keuter focused on wrestling in the same ballpark?

Should be a great dual none the less.
 

clonedude

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I would say, correct. We are probably not much upgraded at 125 like many hoped. 41 and 57 just took huge hits with injuries. If paniro can't go I don't see Kane keeping that match close at all. 74 has been disappointing. If this is the meet you just casually watch hoping to see us knock off iowa I am not liking our chances. If you are watching to see some top 10 level dual wrestling and some competitive high level dudes it's still gonna be a great dual to watch.
Here's my matches to watch
33 frost Ayala 2 bona fide top 6 guys going at it
49 parco and ech see above
97 iowas number 1 guy vs our big time recruit who is super talented, shocked if we win this one but great measuring stick for carroll
84 is bockman the real deal at 84?
Hwt does yonger major or worse or is keuter focused on wrestling in the same ballpark?

Should be a great dual none the less.
Thanks for the honesty... and not just giving the view behind cardinal and gold glasses.

I will definitely watch... it's always exciting... just for the s**t talk going back and forth and you never know if one of the Brands will lose their s**t. I'm not going in expecting it to be that close though... but it will still be great wrestling like you said, and fun to watch.
 

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My relatively uneducated opinion says... if everything goes our way, and all our guys bring their A game, we could barely pull out a win at Iowa... but it's much more likely that this dual won't even really be that close and Iowa wins quite comfortably... correct?
You’re spot on. It is more likely that ISU loses by 20+ then it is that ISU wins.

There are several tossups, but the way this season has started for ISU I wouldn’t pick us to win many of them.

Our best guy at 25 hasn’t been down to weight. Our 33 is going to have to match the pace of a very high paced wrestler, and 2 weeks ago he couldn’t wrestle without going to the hospital supposedly.

41 neither team is that great. Both probably 20-30 ranked level.

49 ISU’s second best guy but runs into an absolute proven hammer.

57 - a hobbled Paniro might keep it to a decision. Without him it’s a tech of pin guaranteed.

65 - Euton is solid, but not close to this level yet.

74 - No chance

84 - I like ISU chances here

97 - I’m really interested in this matchup, but think at this point Buchanan will be too much.

Hvy - Probably in the minority here, but I’m concerned here. I think Bastida wins, but am giving Keuter a chance. Keuter is good on top and we haven’t seen Bastida yet this year, so how’s the tank?
 
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You’re spot on. It is more likely that ISU loses by 20+ then it is that ISU wins.

There are several tossups, but the way this season has started for ISU I wouldn’t pick us to win many of them.

Our best guy at 25 hasn’t been down to weight. Our 33 is going to have to match the pace of a very high paced wrestler, and 2 weeks ago he couldn’t wrestle without going to the hospital supposedly.

41 neither team is that great. Both probably 20-30 ranked level.

49 ISU’s second best guy but runs into an absolute proven hammer.

57 - a hobbled Paniro might keep it to a decision. Without him it’s a tech of pin guaranteed.

65 - Euton is solid, but not close to this level yet.

74 - No chance

84 - I like ISU chances here

97 - I’m really interested in this matchup, but think at this point Buchanan will be too much.

Hvy - Probably in the minority here, but I’m concerned here. I think Bastida wins, but am giving Keuter a chance. Keuter is good on top and we haven’t seen Bastida yet this year, so how’s the tank?
Yonger is going to beat Keuter.
 

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You’re spot on. It is more likely that ISU loses by 20+ then it is that ISU wins.

There are several tossups, but the way this season has started for ISU I wouldn’t pick us to win many of them.

Our best guy at 25 hasn’t been down to weight. Our 33 is going to have to match the pace of a very high paced wrestler, and 2 weeks ago he couldn’t wrestle without going to the hospital supposedly.

41 neither team is that great. Both probably 20-30 ranked level.

49 ISU’s second best guy but runs into an absolute proven hammer.

57 - a hobbled Paniro might keep it to a decision. Without him it’s a tech of pin guaranteed.

65 - Euton is solid, but not close to this level yet.

74 - No chance

84 - I like ISU chances here

97 - I’m really interested in this matchup, but think at this point Buchanan will be too much.

Hvy - Probably in the minority here, but I’m concerned here. I think Bastida wins, but am giving Keuter a chance. Keuter is good on top and we haven’t seen Bastida yet this year, so how’s the tank?
Pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.

If Paniro can’t go or isn’t close to full strength, our chances of winning this one are very close to 0.

Still think Dresser might go with experience at 125 and 141, we’ll see if that pays off.
 

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Bockman’s match is going to be a one takedown match either way. Hopefully it falls ISU wrestling way.

125- Meza wins. Terukina should win, but haven’t we all been there before?

133- Frost gives up early takedown off slide by from Ayala on his knees, but I think Frost will do Frost things and win like 8-6.

141- Redding, no matter how much crabby wishes it weren’t true, is a bigger terukina. He should win this match, but what will he do to lose it?

149- I’m so conflicted about this. Want Ech to win, and truly believe that he will, but also think if he loses badly that it might just push him to cut to 141 to give us our best lineup and his best chance at the podium.

157- no idea how bad the ankle is. Hopefully just a regular decision.

165- Euton competes but gives up the major.

174- Dresser pulls a surprise and sends mj out, but it doesn’t go our way again.

184- a one takedown match either way. Coin flip.

197- Carroll gets a couple of first period takedowns and then the question is if he can hang on for two more periods?

285- Yonger until I see anything to make me feel otherwise.


24-9 type team score unfortunately
 

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There are a fair amount of toss ups. I was penciling a win for Casey against Block. 133 is a toss up. Hopefully Frost can have a nice size and strength advantage.

125 could be a win but I’d trust Kysen more due to experience (can’t believe I’m saying this)

149 will be match of the night

157 loss, a healthy Paniro still likely loses

165 likely loss but Euton will battle

174 loss

184 should be fun

197 closer than anyone thinks. I’m calling my shot. Give me Carroll because **** em.

Hwt Yonger

Carroll is more likely to get majored than win.

Yonger will win if healthy.
 

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Bockman’s match is going to be a one takedown match either way. Hopefully it falls ISU wrestling way.

125- Meza wins. Terukina should win, but haven’t we all been there before?

133- Frost gives up early takedown off slide by from Ayala on his knees, but I think Frost will do Frost things and win like 8-6.

141- Redding, no matter how much crabby wishes it weren’t true, is a bigger terukina. He should win this match, but what will he do to lose it?

149- I’m so conflicted about this. Want Ech to win, and truly believe that he will, but also think if he loses badly that it might just push him to cut to 141 to give us our best lineup and his best chance at the podium.

157- no idea how bad the ankle is. Hopefully just a regular decision.

165- Euton competes but gives up the major.

174- Dresser pulls a surprise and sends mj out, but it doesn’t go our way again.

184- a one takedown match either way. Coin flip.

197- Carroll gets a couple of first period takedowns and then the question is if he can hang on for two more periods?

285- Yonger until I see anything to make me feel otherwise.


24-9 type team score unfortunately
If ech goes to 41 (which I think he should have been from the start) we are we sliding in at 49?
 

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Paniro would go 149 then we would have to figure out a 57, which in the end makes it feel like a wash?

Do we have a better option at 141 or 157?

Panino didn’t look lineup ready yesterday, and that was before the injury (which didn’t look good).

Regardless, why would Ech suddenly go to 141? They tried to get him to do it all offseason, including incentives, and he had no interest. What would make him change his mind now?
 

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You’re spot on. It is more likely that ISU loses by 20+ then it is that ISU wins.

There are several tossups, but the way this season has started for ISU I wouldn’t pick us to win many of them.

Our best guy at 25 hasn’t been down to weight. Our 33 is going to have to match the pace of a very high paced wrestler, and 2 weeks ago he couldn’t wrestle without going to the hospital supposedly.

41 neither team is that great. Both probably 20-30 ranked level.

49 ISU’s second best guy but runs into an absolute proven hammer.

57 - a hobbled Paniro might keep it to a decision. Without him it’s a tech of pin guaranteed.

65 - Euton is solid, but not close to this level yet.

74 - No chance

84 - I like ISU chances here

97 - I’m really interested in this matchup, but think at this point Buchanan will be too much.

Hvy - Probably in the minority here, but I’m concerned here. I think Bastida wins, but am giving Keuter a chance. Keuter is good on top and we haven’t seen Bastida yet this year, so how’s the tank?
Are you saying no chance with Riggins or gaitan or both? I feel like gaitan will be the guy and then no chance feels too strong. I think brands is a bad matchup for gaitan but it’s much closer to 50/50 with him there.
 

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I don’t see how a shift of guys downward would help unless Chittum could go at 157 and I don’t see Ech doing it anyway .
 

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Bockman’s match is going to be a one takedown match either way. Hopefully it falls ISU wrestling way.

125- Meza wins. Terukina should win, but haven’t we all been there before?

133- Frost gives up early takedown off slide by from Ayala on his knees, but I think Frost will do Frost things and win like 8-6.

141- Redding, no matter how much crabby wishes it weren’t true, is a bigger terukina. He should win this match, but what will he do to lose it?

149- I’m so conflicted about this. Want Ech to win, and truly believe that he will, but also think if he loses badly that it might just push him to cut to 141 to give us our best lineup and his best chance at the podium.

157- no idea how bad the ankle is. Hopefully just a regular decision.

165- Euton competes but gives up the major.

174- Dresser pulls a surprise and sends mj out, but it doesn’t go our way again.

184- a one takedown match either way. Coin flip.

197- Carroll gets a couple of first period takedowns and then the question is if he can hang on for two more periods?

285- Yonger until I see anything to make me feel otherwise.


24-9 type team score unfortunately
“Redding is a bigger Terukina”, truer words have never been spoken.
 

crablegs

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“Redding is a bigger Terukina”, truer words have never been spoken.
Redding overperformed his NCAA seed last time he wrestled there. Doing better than Terukina ever has in multiple tries. He’s also never had as good of wins as Terukina. Redding doesn’t have anywhere near the ups and downs of Terukina.

He’s going to lose some matches, cause he’s good but not great. But last time he was the starter he improved tremendously throughout the season and peaked well.