Games lost at Hilton since Orr

[Cycsk]

Various viewpoints are appreciated. Trolls are not. And you are naught but a Hawk troll as we all well know from your posting history. So stay the **** in the ISR, capice?
Even better using "snowflake". Not only are you a Hok troll, but a RWNJ and likely Trumper as well. Sweet.

It is kinda nice not knowing what you are talking about because apparently I've already put whomever you are talking about on my Ignore list. I'm able to read the thread in peace, except for all the replies to him.

 

[CloneLawman]

It is kinda nice not knowing what you are talking about because apparently I've already put whomever you are talking about on my Ignore list. I'm able to read the thread in peace, except for all the replies to him.

Well isn't that special?

 

[NoCreativity]

All I’m going to say is that If we had Lindell or THT this year this would be an entirely different team. You have to look at it realistically.

those are two prolific scorers and is exactly what this team is missing. People need to get some perspective.

Maybe they should have came back then instead of playing in front of 400 people that got free tickets at Wells Fargo. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind LW wanted no part of CSP's program anymore after what happened last year.

I've been to a few games and that place is a morgue, its actually sad seeing guys like that leave college early to play in that environment.

 

[NoCreativity]

Fred Hoiberg
2010-11 0-3
2011-12 0-4
2012-13 0-1 (0-2 if you include the mid-season tournament loss to UNLV)
2013-14 1-1
2014-15 2-3
Total: 3-12(+1)

Steve Prohm
2015-16 1-5
2016-17 1-2
2017-18 0-4
2018-19 2-2
Total: 4-13

So its pretty much a wash is what I learned from this info. People think Prohm is such a road warrior because they only remember beating the 2 conference champions a year ago. K-State was without Dean Wade that game also, the Tech game was a huge win so I'll give him credit for that.

 

[Cyclone6486]

Lots of debate happening these days. It always helps to have a common set of facts to work off of, so with that in mind ...

It has been 25 full seasons since Johnny Orr exited the stage. Since then, no ISU coach has stayed longer than five seasons for various reasons. I had some extra time today and decided to sum up the total losses at Hilton per coach, etc.


GAMES LOST AT HILTON PER SEASON

Tim Floyd (4 seasons) = 3.75 losses per season (3, 3, 3, 6)

Larry Eustachy (5 seasons) = 2.8 losses per season (3, 0, 0, 6, 5)

Wayne Morgan (3 seasons) = 3.33 losses per season (1, 3, 6)

Greg McDermott (4 seasons) = 6 losses per season (5, 6, 6, 7)

Fred Hoiberg (5 seasons) = 2.2 losses per season (6, 2, 1, 1, 1)

Steve Prohm (4 full seasons so far) = 4 losses per season (2, 3, 7, 4)


If Prohm wins the rest of his home games this season, his average will be 3.6 losses per season. If he has another season similar to two years ago with 7 losses, his average will be 4.6 losses per season after five full years.

Perhaps someone else can do something similar with average finish in conference and average results in the NCAA? (BTW--I don't put much stock in Big 12 Tournament Titles. Fun but nearly meaningless, IMO.)

Great info! Data is always helpful to balance the emotional reaction we all have to losing. Only thing I think is a HUGE stretch is to think this team could win out at home. Based on “data” so far this season Prohm has LOTS of work to do to right the ship.

 

[Cyclone6486]

All I’m going to say is that If we had Lindell or THT this year this would be an entirely different team. You have to look at it realistically.

those are two prolific scorers and is exactly what this team is missing. People need to get some perspective.

THT WAS POISON!

 

[Cyinthenorth]

All I’m going to say is that If we had Lindell or THT this year this would be an entirely different team. You have to look at it realistically.

those are two prolific scorers and is exactly what this team is missing. People need to get some perspective.

They'd have a little more juice offensively perhaps, but let's not forget how bad both players were for large stretches last year. I don't think they'd be making a ton of difference in the W/L column, but I doubt we'd have lost to FAMU at the least.