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Clone_12 said:
A good point to show just how unimportant connecting to players is, would be college basketball's all-time winningest coach...do you think Bobby Knight really "connected" with his players? Once again, after graduating it's another story a lot of the time, but while he was coaching them, Bob Knight never was "buddies" with his players. I'm not saying a coach can't be a player's friend and be successful, but it's a rarity...and some struggle because of their closeness to their players (players respect them off the court but run the show on the court...players know they'll most likely get a pat on the back instead of a tongue-lashing if they screw up, etc...)
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Exactly. This is basically how it was with Curt and Morgan. Curt ran the show, not Morgan.

And I'm not saying the players hate Mac, I'm just saying they don't really connect with him. They respect him and they know he does what he can to help them win.
 
didnt jiri play at marshaltown cc? and i have no idea on the whole 1980s research cuz i just tried and came up with nothing
 
cmoore_23 said:
didnt jiri play at marshaltown cc? and i have no idea on the whole 1980s research cuz i just tried and came up with nothing
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This person is a former D3 coach at University of Dubuque....come on guys it's easier than you think.
 
Cyfan13 said:
You're right, I'm not an assisant coach or the AD. I only know what the players tell me (and not just Rahshon) and what I've seen over the last 2 years.

I do think Mac is the right guy for the job because he is a good coach. It's that simple. He has Pre, TJ, Rutter, Crawf, to help him connect to the players. And when I was referring to recruiting being an issue, I didn't mean because of his personality, but because he doesn't have connections like a lot of other coaches around the country do.

As I said, a lot of good coaches are not "player coaches". One example I know of personally was Coach Snyder at K State. My brother played under him for 5 years, and he was definitely not a player's coach, but my brother and his teammates respected him. And he was able to get recruits.
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All of this talk of "connecting" with the players doesn't really cause me to have concern. It is quite typical for a coaching staff to employ the old "good cop - bad cop" approach with players and typically it is the head man that plays bad cop and an assistant or two that play good cop.

The highlighted item in the above post does confirm something that I have said before when so many of you have tried to tell us about how well respected McDermott is around the country. The reality is that he has few connections and little "rep" outside of the upper midwest. This is mildly disturbing in light of the fact that BB and coaching is such a "who you know" business.
 
Here are the facts as I see them:

1. Gmac has poor rapport with players and can't recruit, but he may have a systemized approach.

2. WM was a good assistant, has good rapport with players and is a good recruiter, but can't put it all together.

3. Some of LE's phenomenal success could be attributed to WM's help.

3. WM is currently unemployed and living in Ames.

The latest question is - Why not re-hire WM as an assitant to help in retention, training, recruiting? This would put an immediate stop to our tailspin. It requires both sides to swallow their pride for the good of the program.
 
hoosman said:
Here are the facts as I see them:

1. Gmac has poor rapport with players and can't recruit, but he may have a systemized approach.

2. WM was a good assistant, has good rapport with players and is a good recruiter, but can't put it all together.

3. Some of LE's phenomenal success could be attributed to WM's help.

3. WM is currently unemployed and living in Ames.
The latest question is - Why not re-hire WM as an assitant to help in retention, training, recruiting? This would put an immediate stop to our tailspin. It requires both sides to swallow their pride for the good of the program.
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Your preception of the facts is pretty badly screwed up. Gmac does not have poor rapport with his players, and he can recruit. See Brackins, Wes Johnson, Garrett, Buckley, and Eikmeier. WM's good rapport did not translate, in fact team play was seriously lacking during his final games. LE's phenomenal success came while he had Tim Floyd's players, and WM was coaching out in California And finally, WM wouldn't come back to ISU if his life depended on it.
 
And Wayne isn't unemployed, he's running a successful business. I don't know where people come up with this stuff.
 
BryceC said:
And Wayne isn't unemployed, he's running a successful business. I don't know where people come up with this stuff.
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What's Wayne doing now?

If you talk to most of GMac's former players at his other schools, they love the guy like a father. GMac may be more like Floyd, and Boby Knight and have similar relationships with his players.
 
Why would Wayne come back, as an assistant, to the place that he was fired as the head coch. He probably won't be an assistant anywhere let alone at Iowa State.
 
Oldgeezer said:
Your preception of the facts is pretty badly screwed up. Gmac does not have poor rapport with his players, and he can recruit. See Brackins, Wes Johnson, Garrett, Buckley, and Eikmeier. WM's good rapport did not translate, in fact team play was seriously lacking during his final games. LE's phenomenal success came while he had Tim Floyd's players, and WM was coaching out in California And finally, WM wouldn't come back to ISU if his life depended on it.
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Didn't Cyfan13 say on here that Brackins was a Morgan recruit that just decided to follow what he felt after the coaching change? Also, Prioleau is the one responsible for Wes, and the last two have yet to suit up.

I still don't think you can make the claim that he's a quality recruiter with the number of big man targets we've absolutely whiffed on with it being such a need.

I still think Diante is a quality player, and I like the guys that he brought in, and he did have a hand in it, but his recruiting hasn't been anything special, especially if Brackins, as according to cyfan13, was coming here for Morgan.
 
All right, I gave CF up for Lent and am now just returning to the fold, and I've got a couple of comments to make on this post:

1. Who are these two recruits that the title is about, but are only talked about for about 10 posts?

2. Cascade....why?......(They were one of my high school's rivals, and I believe we were considered their school's biggest rival)
 
yeah, this thread went off-subject after about 10 useful posts, and now it's back to the typical questioning of the basketball program.
 
hoosman said:
Here are the facts as I see them:

1. Gmac has poor rapport with players and can't recruit, but he may have a systemized approach.

2. WM was a good assistant, has good rapport with players and is a good recruiter, but can't put it all together.

3. Some of LE's phenomenal success could be attributed to WM's help.

3. WM is currently unemployed and living in Ames.

The latest question is - Why not re-hire WM as an assitant to help in retention, training, recruiting? This would put an immediate stop to our tailspin. It requires both sides to swallow their pride for the good of the program.
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I maintain that the claims of WM being an excellent recruiter is more of a myth than a fact. One simply has to take an honest look at the following list - Evanovich, Gray, Lee, Mardsen, Agnew, Chiraev, Davis, Faulkner, and George. This isn't the type of list that is going to produce deep tournament runs, let alone competitive records. Yes, I didn't include the smaller list of guys who could play and fit into a college environment. The problem is that the majority of our Big XII competition signed as good if not better level of talent during that 3 year period.
 
Winning cures everything. We can not win soon enough!

I am not sure I can handle these posts about how bad of a recruiter/coach McDermott is when the basis for these comments are on two years of being at ISU. The program was "on the ropes" when he took over. Morgan appeared to have the program going down a path very few of us would want it to go.

These threads are like a bad accident. You can't help but look. :smile:
 
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