I'm starting to catch onto what you've been preaching on here for years. I apologize for the previous clashes.
Disappointing season
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Really? Again? You mean the season where no fans were allowed in Hilton? The season with multiple injuries plus virus restrictions where sometimes they were lucky to have 7 players for a game? That season with all the new players and the above BS was never going to be a winner....but come on....apples to apples?
Hey....you know, I remember how good 32-5 felt with an elite 8 and truly one of the, if not the best team in the country. Don't you? A season where only 7 players logged any minutes because Rancik was, wait for it.................injured. There was no tired excuse, or being burned out. Why not use that as the "remember when" bar? Because it makes us feel bad?
Heck I remember just last season with 29 wins and a sweet 16. No one was tired or burned out. What's wrong with using that?
Steve Prohm his first season was held to higher standards than Fred ever achieved. Even with Naz Long out all year and STILL making a sweet 16. No one on this site gave a s***. No one ever said hey......"remember what GMAC was like"!!!!
But now it's remember 2-22? Please.
Why has "2-22" all of a sudden in basketball become like football where if things go a little south "remember Jim Walden" is the battle cry?
That is the mindset of a loser. To not be able to call a spade a spade and never expect anything more than the lowest common denominator.
This was a very promising season that ended with a thud. That's it and that's all. It wasn't a bad season overall.....but certainly left a bad taste in one's mouth. Just like 2 years ago. Just like 18-19, 14-15, 00-01. And it will happen again. Money or no money. Count on it.....and people will be very disappointed.
But alas, have no fear........there is always "2-22" to keep you warm at night.
That is going to be expected with TJ as head coach. TJ stresses "daily habits" and "trust." TJ said (paraphrasing) if the staff observes poor daily habits then how can they trust the player on the floor. As witnessed by those watching during garbage time against Lipscomb- Nojus needs work before he can garner any meaningful game minutes.
Sure it was a disappointing season, you are graded by how you finish, not how you start the year. ISU was in the top 10 most of the season, but we limped into the post season finishing with a 500 record the last 16 games. Was it because of injuries, lack of depth, players not getting along, it does not matter. This team had flaws the entire year, the blowout at home to KSU, the loss at WV, and others. As Bilis pointed out, when they are playing well, they can beat anyone, but when they are not, they can lose to anyone. Milan was streaky, either the next Larry Bird one night, and could not hit the broad side of the barn the next. Our two bigs back ups never developed past being anything but rebounders and could never finish. Keilderman is a nice story, but the guy is a walk-on, and if he is getting quality minutes over players on scholarship we are in trouble.
I didn't want to read the whole thread, just the first post. sure if you look at how we finished in the league and in the NCAA tourney its a disappointment but why? Injuries.
When they were healthy it absolutely was a top 5 team that could beat anyone. You can't control the injuries. It just wasn't the same team at the end of the season.
When they were healthy it absolutely was a top 5 team that could beat anyone. You can't control the injuries. It just wasn't the same team at the end of the season.
I can’t say that it was a disappointing season, just a few disappointing games including last night. The injury bug was not kind to the Cyclones, but they continued to fight and show their Cyclone spirit. Very proud of this team for the effort that they put forth all year long.
I am already looking forward to seeing this team next year. We need to get Niang to talk to the team about total dedication towards living up to their potential. Show them his before and after pictures from when he transformed his body while at Iowa State. I still believe that Momcilovic and Jefferson can become the two most dominant players in college basketball if they dedicate themselves to maximizing their potential. Add some good guard and post players and this team will be unstoppable.
I am already looking forward to seeing this team next year. We need to get Niang to talk to the team about total dedication towards living up to their potential. Show them his before and after pictures from when he transformed his body while at Iowa State. I still believe that Momcilovic and Jefferson can become the two most dominant players in college basketball if they dedicate themselves to maximizing their potential. Add some good guard and post players and this team will be unstoppable.
Ok, so 'disappointing'... Yes, I'm disappointed in a 32 exit. I'd be really bothered if we had everyone playing and lost to that team. With no Gilbert and frankly no Lipsey it's hard to be that broken up. I mean, I wish they were 100 so we could really see how it plays out but they just weren't. Its worse because ISU doesn't get that many chances so maybe missing one could sting for years. That said, I'm better with the way it played out that with a legit team just stinking it up. I do trust Otz, though, he's still growing as a coach and program builder, and in a crazy nil environment, too. Next year will require some guys to really develop. Milan, I'm looking at you. (positive spin that he's certainly not going pro? 
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Well yeah, obviously.
Cyclone fans are the best at the "hey remember we used to suck MANY years ago, so just be grateful we don't suck like we did then!" battle cry.
I mean, yeah, I'm glad we're good instead of bad.
If anything the 2-22 is a reminder that this was the program TJ inherited. Yes, how this season ended was disappointing. But also the high expectations were only there because of the outstanding work TJ has done to get it this far.
CSP underachieved with a team someone else did all of the work setting him up for success. He was a bad head coach and if you still don't know that then you don't know ball.
Just think how much having Keshon playing 30 minutes a game changes everything. Don’t need to go 9 or 10 deep. We had a great rotation set up when Keshon was healthy. Lots of different looks available, very manageable. The fact is that losing a starter that averages big minutes and averages double digit points and handles the ball a lot is going to set back pretty much every team outside of the blue bloods and the SEC money teams.
Except it was four years ago, so by almost no definition "MANY"?? You two should get together, perhaps at an axe-throwing establishment to rid yourselves of such passion. Three coaches in history have made a Final Four in their first four seasons, none since 2010. I could argue that the fact that this is your complaint is proof of how remarkable a turnaround it's been. In four seasons Otz has broken nearly every major school record held by the "legendary" coaches, and some fans' response is "HE HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO FOR MISSING EARLY-SEASON EXPECTATIONS ONE SEASON IN THE MOST UNBALANCED ERA OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS IN HISTORY."
But really, what do most of you expect? We are Iowa State and this is perfectly normal. Happens all the time.
IMO, when we were healthy, our D was playing well and we were hitting shots we were a top 10 team. But if one area wasn't working we really struggled. Last night, all 3 weren't working. I didn't think we really looked all that sharp against Lipscomb. They were just completely outmatched against us. Athleticism was a problem. Jackson and Chatfield are big bodies but were below average jumpers and got a lot of rebounds tipped away or their shots blocked. If either of those had 3 or 4 inches more vertical would have made a big difference but then I don't think they'd be playing for us. They were very serviceable guys and I appreciated them but if we can find athletic 6'7" or taller in the portal would really help. But I'm sure they are hard to find with all the money floating around.
This season was disappointing in that I still think this team, when healthy (ie 1st half of year) was ISUs best team with best chance to go deep since Tinsley years. Not the most talented, but best 2-way team.
Unfortunately it was also basically a 6 deep team with two more role players. Just lost too much on O and D with Gilbert out. Really missed his penetration.
Unfortunately it was also basically a 6 deep team with two more role players. Just lost too much on O and D with Gilbert out. Really missed his penetration.
The only thing thing I can see as disappointing this season- would be to have not lived it. I saw every minute of action except for the Auburn game. "Don't cry because it is over, smile because you experienced it." Go Cyclones.
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Yes, it is going to set back a team. But it shouldn't set back a team so that they get behind by 26 points to a lower tourney seed, or have back-to-back blowout losses against a bad KSU and a mediocre KU, and another loss to a bad OSU team.
Where does ISU want to go? If ISU wants to seriously contend for a regular season Big 12 title and make a deep tourney run, they need to figure out an offensive scheme that doesn't require complete athletic superiority over the opponent (because that isn't happening night in and night out in the Big 12), or one guy playing out of his mind (like CJ did until the opponents figured out that they needed to neutralize him) to open up things for the other guys. Otherwise, the current scheme works well enough to do well with a cupcake preseason and beat enough mediocre conference teams to make the tourney.
And depth certainly doesn't hurt, because, you know, injuries...
