Decision Time on Jackson
- Thread starter NEICyFan
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Uh, why don't you guys just put him on your "Ignore" list? Those of us who have wouldn't even see his posts if you don't reply to him. Obviously, he isn't going away, but you can do the next best thing.
LOL I didn't read your whole post you did defend the Panthers. Classic cyclone fan.
You guys should not be so critical of NEIcyFan. He is at least consistent. Almost exactly a year ago, he started a post like this one, questioning KJ's future. Here is one of his entries:
"Please give me a break with the anti-KJ stuff. I've said since he signed the extension that I'm on board and looking for improvement. He's our guy for next year but doesn't have a contract beyond next season. It is only prudent at this point in time to discuss what needs to be done for him to receive another extension.
As for your question above, that's a relatively easy question to answer. ISU is one of the most storied and most well supported wrestling programs in the country. ISU is one of only a hand full of programs with a realistic shot of contending for a national title on a regular basis. The past 4 years we have finished: 20th, 35th, 11th and 12th. In the fifth year of this program we couldn't get into the top 10 and in the fifth year of this program we had 5(!) starters finish with sub-.500 records. Half the team had a losing record. Think about just how bad that is for just a second. You're telling me that in five years it is unrealistic to think we could find a wrestler at most every weight class who could produce a winning record?
This isn't football where it takes years to rebuild. Wrestling programs can/should be rebuilt rather quickly. Simply put, recruiting, retention and development do not approach elite levels.
If having higher expectations than what we are getting for program than what we're getting makes me a bad fan, so be it. We're Iowa State, for crying out loud. When I read comments from this thread and others that we should be content with the results we are getting it makes me think too many people have forgotten this. These kind of comments make me want to pull my hair out."
Does this entry sound familiar? A leopard never changes its spots.
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lol well duh. Of course my opinion hasn't changed. We finished even further back at the NCAAs and now our best two wrestlers are graduating. Why would that improve my opinion of the program?
Why? You aren't impressed by his pointless, repetitive posts and inability to form a coherent thought on the wrestling program?
Last year I told him if he didn't go away I'd expose every post. Just a total crap move on what should have been a positive energy day for kyven. Now if we all just ignore every post he makes maybe he will quit posting and go away
I would hope our team also wants to be contending and isn't content with 15th place finishes.
If not, our problems are even bigger than I imagined.
Just thought I would share this link.. Watch the video interview with Kevin Jackson..Enough said. Not only is he the head coach, he's a good teacher, mentor and friend to these athletes. Pretty neat watch.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-cyclones-ncaa-wrestling/25173679/
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-iowa-state-cyclones-ncaa-wrestling/25173679/
Just to be clear, in terms of national championship finishes, this is the worst 5yr stretch since at least the 1950s (according to Wikipedia anyway). The worst 4yr average prior to Jackson was 12th place towards then end of Bobby Douglas' tenure. There were actually no periods where ISU finished worse than 9th for 3 consecutive years. Five consecutive years of worse than 12th under Jackson seems pretty terrible IMO. So I don't know that there is a lot to lose by trying something different. Could it really be worse? Doesn't seem like it. I think this is about as bad as it can get for a school with Iowa State's resources/commitment and history in the sport.
I agree JP wont hire a new wrestling coach and I am of the camp of "Who Cares"...............
Jesus! 7 Pages of bashing NEICy for a valid question. Who cares who posted it, KJ's track record speaks for itself. We are about to fall even further folks. The key cogs in the program the last 3 years were legacy wrestlers who were coming to ISU KJ or not. Last year's recruiting class was by far the best KJ's had and was ranked ~12.
Nice to wake up this morning and see that a few people actually get it. We are underscheiving as a program and the most positive comments even the most positive poster can come up is that we "won't likely slip further" next year.
I look at it like this: KJ was given a 2 year contract 2 years ago. Giving a coach 2 years is not common. To me, that's a message that you have two years to right the ship. Has this happened? We've actually finished further behind at the NCAAs each of the past 2 seasons.
And no matter what side you're on, anyone who doesn't understand the announcement of what they are doing with KJ is a big deal for this program is kidding themselves.
I look at it like this: KJ was given a 2 year contract 2 years ago. Giving a coach 2 years is not common. To me, that's a message that you have two years to right the ship. Has this happened? We've actually finished further behind at the NCAAs each of the past 2 seasons.
And no matter what side you're on, anyone who doesn't understand the announcement of what they are doing with KJ is a big deal for this program is kidding themselves.
Another name I would like to add to this list is Iowa native and Virginia Tech head coach Kevin Dresser.
It's not the question he asked, but if u don't know who he is then u have no reason making this comment. This guy along with a few others continue to bash the program any minute that something negative happens. But anytime that this team does anything good or great they are nowhere to be found. The va tech meet, we dominated a good team, Wisconsin we had 4 PINS! They made no comments of how good the team looked. So us fans that are very passionate about this program and this team, it's very annoying about the negativity that they always try to bring.
Okay woke up pretty good this morning after that emotional WIN WIN WIN for Kyven oh and some Ice Cream to top it off. :spinny:
So I'll take this and try to push aside your past posts and have a "normal" convo. Here are my thoughts on the subject.
-JP is not going to be interested in looking for a new coach because 1) his health 2) wrestling is NOT a priority on his list. (this of course goes out the window unless it is from within.
-I highlighted my opionion on the ones your listed above so check that out
-Proud of Kyven. Proud of KJ for the emotions you can tell he had with Kyven.
-Think we could have done better this year but that's Matness for you hell look at WVU's 125lber. Just out of no where and actually if he could have landed that cement mixer bam champion.
-Someone earlier mentioned if a donor dropped a million if it would help.. YES YES YES heck even 1/2 million would go a long ways. You think about that, it is crazy because that "little" going to say football or other revenue sports wouldn't be anything but in wrestling it would be everything.
-Sad to see Big M go, disappointed tourney but was a great Clone and even better leader.
-Opinion on next year will be reserved for a later time.
