Darian DeVries

[isucy86]

Obviously Drake is having a great season and Devries appears to be a good coach. But hasn't there been endless posts on here about McDermott and Prohm coming from a smaller conference and that they weren't ready to succeed in the Big 12 much less Iowa State? So now everyone thinks JP should jump on the bandwagon of hiring him? What am I missing with everyone's thinking? Is the eye test enough, etc?

There is no sure fire formula- Smith, Medved, TJ and DeVries all have solid credentials. But chances are 10 years from now, maybe only 1 or 2 of the guys will have P5 success in getting his team regularly to NCAA Tournaments.

A reason why coaching success at a lower level school doesn't always translate to P5 is the game is different. At the P5 level a coach needs to recruit solid players 6'7" and taller. The level of physicality is different and just having great guards/wing players isn't enough.

One thing I like about Smith and DeVries is they value post play. Their big guys are skilled and physical. I haven't seen enough of CSU to judge that area of their game. That physically carries over to their rebounding and both USU and Drake are both pretty solid in that area.

Darnell Brodie is an interesting story at Drake. He goes from a guy who barely played at Seton Hall the last 2 years to averaging 7ppg and 7rpg in his first year at Drake. Not sure who gets the credit for his increased PT- Brodie or Drake coaches. But his game is pretty impressive for a MVC post. Liam Robbins also ended up being a pretty solid player.

The other thing I like about Smith, DeVries & Medved is they get creative in their recruiting. They recruit overseas, JUCO and prep schools.

 

[cincinnaticyclone]

There is no sure fire formula- Smith, Medved, TJ and DeVries all have solid credentials. But chances are 10 years from now, maybe only 1 or 2 of the guys will have P5 success in getting his team regularly to NCAA Tournaments.

A reason why coaching success at a lower level school doesn't always translate to P5 is the 7game is different. At the P5 level a coach needs to recruit solid players 6'7" and taller. The level of physicality is different and just having great guards/wing players isn't enough.

One thing I like about Smith and DeVries is they value post play. Their big guys are skilled and physical. I haven't seen enough of CSU to judge that area of their game. That physically carries over to their rebounding and both USU and Drake are both pretty solid in that area.

Darnell Brodie is an interesting story at Drake. He goes from a guy who barely played at Seton Hall the last 2 years to averaging 7ppg and 7rpg in his first year at Drake. Not sure who gets the credit for his increased PT- Brodie or Drake coaches. But his game is pretty impressive for a MVC post. Liam Robbins also ended up being a pretty solid player.

The other thing I like about Smith, DeVries & Medved is they get creative in their recruiting. They recruit overseas, JUCO and prep schools.

Agree with everything you said here. DeVries also seems to have a good grasp of the strengths and weaknesses of his team. He also seems to understand momentum very well. It always annoys me when Prohm calls a timeout after we hit a big shot or something. DeVries lets his guys play when they’re hitting their stride

 

[NorthCyd]

I've gone to a few Drake games flover the last 5 years now with a friend who has season tickets. I root for them, and they are a fun team to watch. I think DeVries is an exciting prospect, but no where near a can't miss hire. I would be in support of the hire since he has central Iowa connections and if he works out he may retire here, but if he didn't have those connections I would pass for now.

I watched today's game. They didn't play great. Lucky to beat a bad team. This team is a really good mid major team. Definitely maximize their talent, but they would probably get smoked by a good high major team and would need to shoot lights out to have a punchers chance.

 

[cayin]

I agree and have written also about those wanting Steve fired the day after he was hired. But this is different. Because pretty much everyone is in agreement Steve's time has probably come and gone. So why keep up throwing dirt on Steve's good years at Iowa State ALONG with like you said the white washing of GMAC'S tenure? IMO what's happening now has nothing to do with Fred.

I throw dirt on Steve’s “good years” because he underachieved with what he had. He teams had dear in the headlight look going up against any P6 type of school in the NCAA tournament. That Ohio State loss was pathetic beyond belief. Completely unprepared, completely out-coached. They should have ran that OSU team off the floor

 

[Al_4_State]

I actually have a degree from Drake. I should start watching.

 

[AuH2O]

I think it is different because there is a bit of a personal connection to ISU. ISU fans raised money for his family when his wife got sick.

I don't think we could pull him off because he is in a good situation in Alabama, but I think he has more of a connection to ISU because of that and that is more than the lack of connection between Campbell and others programs. Oats is also from the Midwest, some people prefer the Midwest over other parts of the country. It's why I don't think we will ever see Campbell go to one of these blue bloods outside of the Midwest.

Again, I don't think we could get him, but I still think it is a call you try.

Sure you make the call, but the chances are probably zero. It’s not a question of whether Alabama is a better job than ISU. It’s a question of whether other jobs he could get are better than ISU, and that is a yes.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Sounds like some of you should just become Drake fans.

Having said that, I too would take DeVries in a heartbeat.

People have this messed up view of the MVC because of Drake and UNI being two of only 4 big schools in the state and Clayton Custer. The MVC is freaking terrible. I’m not going to base who I want the coach to be off of COVID season in the MVC.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I throw dirt on Steve’s “good years” because he underachieved with what he had. He teams had dear in the headlight look going up against any P6 type of school in the NCAA tournament. That Ohio State loss was pathetic beyond belief. Completely unprepared, completely out-coached. They should have ran that OSU team off the floor

Wait......what? I was just told that teams don't "underachieve" in the NCAA because it's an entirely different "beast" and anything can happen to anyone at anytime. So:

That UAB loss was pathetic beyond belief. Completely unprepared, completely out-coached. They should have ran that UAB team off the floor

You want to keep throwing dirt on Steve's good years.........there is a lot of earth to go around.

 

[clone4life82]

People have this messed up view of the MVC because of Drake and UNI being two of only 4 big schools in the state and Clayton Custer. The MVC is freaking terrible. I’m not going to base who I want the coach to be off of COVID season in the MVC.

So would you base who you want to get rid of as a coach based on a really good big 12 and a Covid season? I kid, only somewhat

 

[qwerty]

And Grill will be like '****!'

Just looked, I thought Grill was a shooter. His career FT is only at 50%. WTH.

 

[cayin]

Wait......what? I was just told that teams don't "underachieve" in the NCAA because it's an entirely different "beast" and anything can happen to anyone at anytime. So:



You want to keep throwing dirt on Steve's good years.........there is a lot of earth to go around.

WTF, I didn't mean UAB, that was for Ohio State. UAB, all Fred had to do was put Edozie in and it's game over. I chalk UAB to an upset. Fred proved over and over his teams could compete in the NCAAs against P6 type of competition. CSP hasn't, every time he goes up against a P5 he craps him self. My point still stands, you see the difference in two coaches?

 

[Tornado man]

WTF, I didn't mean UAB, that was for Ohio State. UAB, all Fred had to do was put Edozie in and it's game over. I chalk UAB to an upset. Fred proved over and over his teams could compete in the NCAAs against P6 type of competition. CSP hasn't, every time he goes up against a P5 he craps him self. My point still stands, you see the difference in two coaches?

Whoa - an "upset" to me is when the underdog team gets hot, can't seem to miss, and maybe a role player has a huge game.
On the contrary, UAB shot just 35% from the field (worse that ISU) - but outrebounded Iowa State by 15.
Summary: they worked a lot harder than ISU for the win. Fred's team mailed it in.
It was a horrible loss.

 

[madguy30]

I'd pull for Drake in the NCAA tournament, which is not something I have, or would ever do for UNI.

Actually have ties to UNI so l'll cheer for them but even if not, that year they punked KU was pretty easy to get behind.

 

[Cat Stevens]

WTF, I didn't mean UAB, that was for Ohio State. UAB, all Fred had to do was put Edozie in and it's game over. I chalk UAB to an upset. Fred proved over and over his teams could compete in the NCAAs against P6 type of competition. CSP hasn't, every time he goes up against a P5 he craps him self. My point still stands, you see the difference in two coaches?

A loss to an 11 seed from a power 5 conference was terrible.

but a loss to 19-15 mid major was just an upset, and those things happen.

got it.

 

[NWICY]

I read on here their AD and Jamie are close. Their AD owes us..we paid their fb team, rolled out red carpet, and they almost beat us...so....call away Jamie.

That 1st time the tourney came to DM didn't ISU help a bunch with them hosting it or am I misremembering?

 

[madguy30]

Whoa - an "upset" to me is when the underdog team gets hot, can't seem to miss, and maybe a role player has a huge game.
On the contrary, UAB shot just 35% from the field (worse that ISU) - but outrebounded Iowa State by 15.
Summary: they worked a lot harder than ISU for the win. Fred's team mailed it in.
It was a horrible loss.

Which is why I'm not getting why someone would say (it's been thrown out there) the 2019 loss to Ohio State was a loss to one of the worst NCAA tourney teams ever. ISU was bad that night too but it was at least a P6 team.
UAB was 16-15 entering their auto-bid conference tourney.

That ISU team did not respond well to inferior teams that challenged them.

 

[Clonestarred]

I’d love TJ as our coach. Top 14 recruiting class for next year. And he brought in George’s, Naz, Monte and company.

Looks like you are going to get your wish.

 

[cincinnaticyclone]

Looks like you are going to get your wish.

What? Did I miss something?

 

[Gunnerclone]

What? Did I miss something?

If you have to ask.

 

[cincinnaticyclone]

If you have to ask.

I’m pretty sure TJ Otzelberger isn’t the head coach at Iowa State. What are you two talking about?