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JCloned said:
Ok Fanatics let’s have some fun while we wait. If our new coach is not named Fred, TJ, or Dana, who will it be and why are they the right guy?
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Dennis Gates from Cleveland State. Turned around a dumpster fire program in 2 years. Has significant P6 experience at a good Florida State program. Young (41).

After Prohm, we REALLY need someone who knows how to win at a P6 school. I’m not as interested in a low major coach without P6 experience.
 
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Someone above said it perfectly.. TJ could be a great fit to be our coach in a variety of ways, but he has not proven at this point as a head coach that he’s deserving of a Big 12 job.

I don’t think that you can take a flyer on a guy simply because he’s a good fit. Sure we did it with Fred, but he was in a completely different situation.

With that being said, I don’t think it’s going to be TJ, for numerous reasons. It’d be an incredibly tough sell to this fan base. I hope I’m not wrong.
 
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JCloned said:
Ok Fanatics let’s have some fun while we wait. If our new coach is not named Fred, TJ, or Dana, who will it be and why are they the right guy?
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The most realistic current P6 coach I see out there is Mark Turgeon. MD apparently doesn’t want him any more, really low buyout, got his start in Big 12 country, consistent winner everywhere he’s been. Won the regular-season conference last year.
 
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cycloneworld said:
Dennis Gates from Cleveland State. Turned around a dumpster fire program in 2 years. Has significant P6 experience at a good Florida State program. Young (41).

After Prohm, we REALLY need someone who knows how to win at a P6 school. I’m not as interested in a low major coach without P6 experience.
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The thing that’s tough with these “2 year turnaround” guys, is that they haven’t proved they can sustain it long term, that’s concerning.

***disclaimer*** this is the kind of stupid ******* merry go round post (my post above) that are 75% of the posts in these coaching change threads. Someone is getting the job and that person will have holes in their records because were Iowa State, not Kansas. So start dealing with it instead of being ******* **********
 
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Gunnerclone said:
The thing that’s tough with these “2 year turnaround” guys, is that they haven’t proved they can sustain it long term, that’s concerning.

***disclaimer*** this is the kind of stupid ******* merry go round post (my post above) that are 75% of the posts in these coaching change threads. Someone is getting the job and that person will have holes in their records because were Iowa State, not Kansas. So start dealing with it instead of being ******* **********
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True. But we are Iowa State, not Kansas. So anyone we hire is going to have holes unless Pollard is somehow willing to change how he hires coaches and REALLY opens up the checkbook (doubtful). So there are no slam dunks for us.

But, to me, Gates checks more boxes than TJ, Smith, or any other low major/mid major coach that is attainable for Iowa State.
 
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CoachHines3 said:
all suspects are innocent until proven guilty

*que bad boys theme song*
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There’s a thread that’s close to the top that talks about it. I believe there’s a good chance the case could be dismissed which is insane considering he was high on weed at the time.
 
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cycloneworld said:
True. But we are Iowa State, not Kansas. So anyone we hire is going to have holes unless Pollard is somehow willing to change how he hires coaches and REALLY opens up the checkbook (doubtful). So there are no slam dunks for us.

But, to me, Gates checks more boxes than TJ, Smith, or any other low major/mid major coach that is attainable for Iowa State.
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Imo it’s preferable those holes would be questions on how long they stay or age, and not questions of whether they have what it takes to be a coach at the Big 12 level. I’d rather take on the lower retread risk than just dart throwing.

Gates likely will have many opportunities this spring. One more good year and he’d likely be out of our range, if he isn’t already. Smith too.

TJ isn’t in such demand this year. If he gets UNLV a berth next year, he may be a candidate for some P5, but if he has a season similar to this one, would he be fired?
 
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WhoISthis said:
What do you think UNLV fans would list as the pros? Will he have a greater chance of success inheriting a bad iowa st team than he did when going to UNLV? He’s been viewed by many MWC followers as bottom half of that conference. How does he measure up in the big 12?
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again I don’t give a **** what UNLV fans think. They are morons who think they should be a regular top 25 team. They think he is an awful coach after two years in which he got them second in the conference and then struggled due to Covid this year. Even with the struggles this year he got them mid pack.
t-noah said:
Fair enough.
TJ: I'm not a huge fan of his on-court demeanor, always seems to be directing traffic, waving his arms, etc. Too much micro-management? He seems to like the 3 (OK, many coaches do), but I'd like to see more movement and teams trying to get layups, short jumpers. Not an x/o guy, leave that to others. Gates: Love his charisma, seeming detail, his winning record. I like his 8-point mantra (forget what it is now). I like that he is black (please don't make anything racist of that). What I mean, is if he is as good or better than a white coach, why not make the hire?

Grant: More of the same with Gates, good coach, coach of year 2020, winning record, has developed some Pros, experienced, black coach. Tang: Experienced, black assisstant coach.

Someone else can take it from there.
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I guess i specifically watched their ball movement and offensive flow last night because of discussions here. It reminded me very much of the Hoiberg teams and was absolutely nothing like Prohms teams. How effective it was last night isn’t so much the points but they were constantly move and making cuts. I’m a fan of the free flowing offense that Hoiberg ran. It realizes on actually making shots and UNLV absolutely couldn’t do that but they were getting decent looks especially in the first half.

I’ve kind of laid out my reasons already but here is why I like TJ. Looking at the Prohm years what do I think were the mistakes. I think lack of P6 experience, lack of Midwest connection, and lack of identity were the issues. I think TJ really hits those issues we saw. He has a ton of P5 experience and at Iowa State. His recruiting grounds line up with ours. Lastly I think he would present a good identity of back to Hoibergs style.

I would be far from upset with Gates. I’d have some concerns about some of his lack of Midwest experience. He has some but it is a bit lacking and I don’t know where he likes to pull recruits. I’ve also not been a fan of Leonard Hamilton’s play style at FSU. When I’ve watched them it’s seemed more of an athletic person style than a basketball skilled style. Maybe I can get on board when I watch it more but I haven’t been a fan. Also looking back maybe they’ve been better the last couple of years at doing that but I tried to watch them some in the mid 2010s and wasn’t impressed. I assume that Gates is similar in style.
 
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Urbandale2013 said:
again I don’t give a **** what UNLV fans think. They are morons who think they should be a regular top 25 team. They think he is an awful coach after two years in which he got them second in the conference and then struggled due to Covid this year. Even with the struggles this year he got them mid pack.

I guess i specifically watched their ball movement and offensive flow last night because of discussions here. It reminded me very much of the Hoiberg teams and was absolutely nothing like Prohms teams. How effective it was last night isn’t so much the points but they were constantly move and making cuts. I’m a fan of the free flowing offense that Hoiberg ran. It realizes on actually making shots and UNLV absolutely couldn’t do that but they were getting decent looks especially in the first half.

I’ve kind of laid out my reasons already but here is why I like TJ. Looking at the Prohm years what do I think were the mistakes. I think lack of P6 experience, lack of Midwest connection, and lack of identity were the issues. I think TJ really hits those issues we saw. He has a ton of P5 experience and at Iowa State. His recruiting grounds line up with ours. Lastly I think he would present a good identity of back to Hoibergs style.

I would be far from upset with Gates. I’d have some concerns about some of his lack of Midwest experience. He has some but it is a bit lacking and I don’t know where he likes to pull recruits. I’ve also not been a fan of Leonard Hamilton’s play style at FSU. When I’ve watched them it’s seemed more of an athletic person style than a basketball skilled style. Maybe I can get on board when I watch it more but I haven’t been a fan. Also looking back maybe they’ve been better the last couple of years at doing that but I tried to watch them some in the mid 2010s and wasn’t impressed. I assume that Gates is similar in style.
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I actually like FSU’s style. They’re extremely athletic and they play with a lot of tempo and excitement. That style has been good to them too in attracting some very good talent in the last 5 years.
 
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Urbandale2013 said:
again I don’t give a **** what UNLV fans think. They are morons who think they should be a regular top 25 team. They think he is an awful coach after two years in which he got them second in the conference and then struggled due to Covid this year. Even with the struggles this year he got them mid pack.
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You’re very bad at defending TJ.

This is the blind “friend” viewpoint many are worried about in hiring TJ. “Forget what others think, they’re too harsh!” “It’s their problem, not our friend!”

It’s not just UNLV fans btw, it’s those that follow and cover MWC. And know, that’s not the basis of their criticism. I hate to break it to you, but being a regular top-25 team is what many Iowa St fans want, and that’s historically been just as easy at UNLV as here.

We’ve gone through the “it’s only year 2!” with Steve. Accurate conclusions can be made even by Year 2. Steve had a good first two years even. Not all circumstances are equal, but TJ has impacted his circumstances. There will ALWAYS be disruptive events, the decisions you make to overcome those can be reflective of your abilities as a HC. And Mid-pack at UNLV is a coach barely above replacement grade.

TJ’s strength is that he may be one of the surer bets on quickly overhauling the roster. If it comes to TJ, which players he’s bringing should be discussed. Is it believed he can keep the guys we want on the roster? Hunter? Nunn and his teammate? Hamilton? Etc
 
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Statefan10 said:
I actually like FSU’s style. They’re extremely athletic and they play with a lot of tempo and excitement. That style has been good to them too in attracting some very good talent in the last 5 years.
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Anyone that doesn’t like FSU’s style likely hasn’t paid attention to college basketball the past 5+ years. Great tempo, offense, AND defense. Yeah, we really wouldn’t want athletic fast paced offense with physical, nearly smothering defense.

Can Gates actually bring that? I don’t know
 
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