Coaching Search: Place your bets

[Cytasticlone]

Give me Becky Hammon simply for the astronomical amount of media attention the program would get.

A student of Pop? Abso-fing-lutely!

 

[CycloneErik]

I did not realize Charlie Henry was an assistant at Alabama under Oats. He is building a very good resume, and with now with Alabama turning around, I could see his next step being a head coach.

How? Just because he's played a big part in creating two different top ten programs with innovative offenses and tons of wins? Pish posh.

 

[CyTwins]

How? Just because he's played a big part in creating two different top ten programs with innovative offenses and tons of wins? Pish posh.

Charlie is a great guy and a great offensive mind but he struggles recruiting

 

[mplueg]

You are assuming Fred will be as hungry to win. And that his status isn't diminished after failing miserably at the NBA level. And that the transfer market hasn't changed with bluebloods being much more active than before.

IF (and that’s a big IF) Fred comes back I would expect him to be even more hungry, cause if he fails that will greatly tarnish his ISU legacy and image. That was my main argument into him not coming back, why put yourself in that stress?

 

[Cyclones125]

Guess we disagree on "home run hire". Fred's coaching record at Nebraska is 14-44. His coaching record at the Bulls was 115-55. Not sure how those numbers translate to "home run hire".

Fred was great at ISU, no one will debate that. But the college game has changed a lot in 7 years since he was here. I think he is just as much of a crap shoot as some of the other names being tossed around.

Unless you think Coach K or Mark Few is moving to Ames, Fred is THEE home run hire for ISU.

Not that I take much stock into his Bulls HC resume, but I think you are overselling his failures there. ~.500 regular season his first 2 years with a Rajon Rondo injury away from upsetting the 1 seed Celtics in the first round. They then went full rebuild after that. Fred certainly wasn't coach of the year, but the GM wasn't doing him any favors with the lack of shooting and personnel decisions.

Historically, Nebraska is possibly the worst P5 basketball program in the country, like worse than the ISU program Fred inherited in 2010. Yeah, they've sucked his first 2 years. But he has a top 20 recruiting class and a 5 Star coming to NEBRASKA. He certainly has that program on a better trajectory than ISU at this point.

Not sure exactly what you mean by the college game has changed in the last 7 years. If you mean actual gameplay, his offensive style with spacing and shooting is even more compatible with today's game. If you mean recruiting... yes, the transfer market is a lot more competitive and he probably can't build up a program with stud transfers in a year like he did in 2011. His current recruiting class at Nebraska tells me he can still get it done at high school and I'm sure he can snag a stud transfer or two every year.

Fred should be #1 on your list unless you're a moron or Fran Mccaffrey's burner account who doesn't want to see Fred come back and spank the Hawks every year.

 

[isuno1fan]

I love Fred, but if I'm being honest, he struck lightning in a bottle his first go 'round in Ames. Can't see it repeating itself.

That said, I don't see anyone that gets me excited (including Fred) so will roll with whomever Jamie decides to roll the dice on.

 

[CycloneErik]

Get me Fred.
If we can't, go get Altman.

By gum, don't go cheap and lazy. Go big instead. Make this count. Get some wins. Get some excitement. Turn Hilton into a madhouse and go dancing over and over and over.

 

[mplueg]

Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

 

[cyatheart]

Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

Yes. IMO Prohm really did himself no favors with this staff, just his overall ability to look in the mirror and say “I suck at this part of the job, i need help in this aspect.” And he never did that.

If TJ were able to do that, and present a plan that said “listen, I know I can recruit like hell, but i need help in preparation and game situations, so I am bringing in XYZ to help do that”

I would be fine with that I think....really you just need a coach that can do SOMETHING well and then know how to hire a staff to help him. Prohm never did that, he could just never knew where his blind spot was.

 

[cyfanatic]

Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

Not sure what pride has to do with that? You think he intentionally put together a bad staff? I would guess it is another deficiency rather than a choice. Analysis of a person's strengths and what that person could bring to the program...seems as though Prohm failed in that regard.

 

[mplueg]

Not sure what pride has to do with that? You think he intentionally put together a bad staff? I would guess it is another deficiency rather than a choice. Analysis of a person's strengths and what that person could bring to the program...seems as though Prohm failed in that regard.

what I mean by pride is that he never appeared to try or accepted it wasn’t working

 

[CascadeClone]

Only if you bet me the same amount on Fred being the next coach of ISU. I am 95 percent certain it would be a wash.

A genius would set up a betting market on this.

I am not that genius.

 

[Dandy]

Fantasy land, but how awesome would it have been if Fred could have talked Garrett into redshirting and playing his senior year with Royce?

Garrett
Christopherson
Babb
Ejim
Royce

Tyrus off the bench.

Would have been either year one or two of Harrison Barnes too.....

 

[cycloneworld]

Who were the proven winner candidates?

This. We didn't have that much interest in the job WHEN WE HAD A TOP 10 TEAM returning after Fred. And if we did, Pollard wouldn't spend the money to hire them. I do not see Pollard opening the check book for any slam dunk candidate - which is why I think we'll end up with TJ. I'll take TJ over other coaches with similar Prohm resumes (success at a low major but no P6 experience) and since I think that is our candidate pool, I'll support TJ as the hire. But I'd rather spend more for a proven coach.

 

[cyfanatic]

what I mean by pride is that he never appeared to try or accepted it wasn’t working

Yeah...I get that!

 

[Dandy]

Imagine the excitement going into next fall with having a top 10 football team and Fred Hoiberg coming back. And imagine how crazy Jack Trice would get when they would show Fred on the big screen.

Yeah.

What's Jack Trice's capacity in this scenario?

 

[Brentwood]

Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

Billy Kennedy was available this off season and supposedly Prohm's mentor. He ended up as an assistant at Wichita. I will never understand why Prohm didn't cut someone loose and bring him to Ames.

 

[Dandy]

Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, if Prohm stays he has to completely restart with the staff underneath him except maybe Kane.

Robinson was here for McDermott's failure and he's here again for Prohm's. Coincidence?

 

[jsb]

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, if Prohm stays he has to completely restart with the staff underneath him except maybe Kane.

Robinson was here for McDermott's failure and he's here again for Prohm's. Coincidence?

I wonder if he’s going to be part of TJs staff?

 

[Dandy]

Yes. IMO Prohm really did himself no favors with this staff, just his overall ability to look in the mirror and say “I suck at this part of the job, i need help in this aspect.” And he never did that.

If TJ were able to do that, and present a plan that said “listen, I know I can recruit like hell, but i need help in preparation and game situations, so I am bringing in XYZ to help do that”

I would be fine with that I think....really you just need a coach that can do SOMETHING well and then know how to hire a staff to help him. Prohm never did that, he could just never knew where his blind spot was.

Sounds like we need to pair TJ Otzelberger with Charlie Henry.