*** BYU Pregame Thread ***

[SolarGarlic]

As I said in my original post. I think the defensive front 7 talent, OR the scheme needs to change next year.

If you watched Cincinnati and CU this year and think our front 7 talent is really good, then I can't help you.

Our LB and defensive line room are bottom quartile in the league. Outside of Kooper Ebel we have zero badasses right now.

Ebel makes some plays, but not sure I'd call him a badass. He overruns a lot of plays because he has no clue where the ball is. We don't have any LBs with a nose for the ball or who have adequate lateral speed. A lot of standing straight up and slow feet. Bacon has been a big disappointment and is not playing at the level I expected. Not sure if it's an injury thing or the DL isn't freeing up the LBs to make plays, but he's not flying around or pressuring the QB like he did two seasons ago.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Seems like the two in this thread have said they know ISU will be a tough game and one even said he expects BYU to lose???

So ... ?

He's a hawk fan, put on ignore

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I know this will be controversial, but if we trot out the 3-3-5 -- again -- we deserve to lose

 

[ScottyP]

I know this will be controversial, but if we trot out the 3-3-5 -- again -- we deserve to lose

we used a four man front for a lot of the first half of the Cincinnati game. You want to play that defense?

 

[jbhtexas]

Rocco isn't the problem:
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IMO for ISU to be successful in upcoming tough stretch of games, the pass completion % needs to be around 70%, like it was against Arizona, not around 50%, like it was at CU. Becht's QBR for Cinnci (48.8) and CU (37.6) was way below that 68.5. It seems there are drops, but there are also passes that just look way off.

 

[MeowingCows]

I know this will be controversial, but if we trot out the 3-3-5 -- again -- we deserve to lose

You can do that, but you have to commit that front 6 and sometimes the 7th nickel down to stop the run/contain the QB and make them throw the ball. In doing so, you're then asking your green CBs to play on islands a lot.

That's your path to victory. We can't let teams kill us with their feet, and if they beat you over the air, tip your cap. ... We also need our offense to actually perform to expectation, also.

 

[MeowingCows]

IMO for ISU to be successful in upcoming tough stretch of games, the pass completion % needs to be around 70%, like it was against Arizona, not around 50%, like it was at CU. Becht's QBR for Cinnci (48.8) and CU (37.6) was way below that 68.5. It seems there are drops, but there are also passes that just look way off.

Rocco isn't the problem, but he's part of the problem at the moment. Accuracy and timing have been problematic for the him the last few weeks. Yes, there are drops in there, but they aren't all drops - a good chunk of them have been whiffed passes.

 

[jbhtexas]

And it’s not the running game that’s an issue. It’s not even the protection. It’s the qb throwing accurate passes and the WRs making catches. If we had an early season Rocco, we win both of the last two games. He’s not been “a hair off”, he’s been flat out bad. Like teams are going to load the box and force Rocco to beat them with his arm because they don’t think he can do it bad.

Honestly, I thought they should have sat him vs CU and let him heal up.

Becht said he felt like crap after the hit at Cinci. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, and Cinci and CU ended up as losses, but Becht doesn't look the same as he did against Arizona. Perhaps he should have sat out for the rest of the Cinci game, and perhaps CU as well.

 

[Kettes]

IMO for ISU to be successful in upcoming tough stretch of games, the pass completion % needs to be around 70%, like it was against Arizona, not around 50%, like it was at CU. Becht's QBR for Cinnci (48.8) and CU (37.6) was way below that 68.5. It seems there are drops, but there are also passes that just look way off.

A small percentage of passes are "off," but we don't know if that is due to anticipation throws to where a WR should have been. I'm more concerned with balls dropped that hit the WR/TE in the numbers. It is way too late in the season for that crap to be happening. I don't care how hard Rocco throws it. If the ball hits you dead in the numbers, that ball needs to be caught.

 

[madguy30]

we used a four man front for a lot of the first half of the Cincinnati game. You want to play that defense?

You may need to post this about 25 more times for it to soak in but even then I'm not so sure.

Any numbered front needs speed on the support/back end.

Hopefully ISU has found some thing to help with anticipation or gotten guys caught up to improve.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

we used a four man front for a lot of the first half of the Cincinnati game. You want to play that defense?

At least 3 of their touchdowns came off of a three man front.

 

[JM4CY]

You can do that, but you have to commit that front 6 and sometimes the 7th nickel down to stop the run/contain the QB and make them throw the ball. In doing so, you're then asking your green CBs to play on islands a lot.

That's your path to victory. We can't let teams kill us with their feet, and if they beat you over the air, tip your cap. ... We also need our offense to actually perform to expectation, also.

I'd argue that they actually perform to their ability. I believe we have the dudes to win these games. Dumb things and stuff a tick off (due to factors mentioned) is what is the problem.

 

[Cyhig]

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At least 3 of their touchdowns came off of a three man front.

The professor knows a thing or two about defense. I trust he will have the players in the right spot to make plays. After that it's up to the player to actually make the plays

 

[MeowingCows]

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At least 3 of their touchdowns came off of a three man front.

What sticks out to me the most in these caps isn't the line -- it's how compressed the defense is. All of them have 10-11 guys within 10 yards of the LOS and 6-7 of those within 5 yards.

Seeing that, I'd like to know what specific plays were ran offensively to score on them. We are lined up on these like we are adding help to the rush game. If, say, they were deep passes -- then the DL front likely would not have made a big difference.

 

[ScottyP]

I'm just not confident we can stop the run. Even Arizona ran on us but had to abandon that due to being behind. I think BYU runs all over us and our offense hasn't been consistent enough to outscore opponents.

I think Higgins and Noel covered up a lot of issues. Rocco relied heavily on Higgins last year to make big third down catches.

Rocco really needs to step up.

 

[SolarGarlic]

What sticks out to me the most in these caps isn't the line -- it's how compressed the defense is. All of them have 10-11 guys within 10 yards of the LOS and 6-7 of those within 5 yards.

Seeing that, I'd like to know what specific plays were ran offensively to score on them. We are lined up on these like we are adding help to the rush game. If, say, they were deep passes -- then the DL front likely would not have made a big difference.

Yeah I think we need to be more specific about what we're talking about. The 4 man front was getting destroyed in the run game in the 1st half. When we talk about adjusting scheme, do people want a 4 man front to stop the run or to try to get pressure on the QB on passing downs? Obviously both, but the 3 man front worked well against the run vs. Cincy in the 2nd half.

The biggest issue to me is we aren't creating any havoc on passing downs. We used to spam A gap blitzes with Rose and occasionally bring corners or safeties. Now we're running blitzes to not necessarily get to the QB, but to push the QB to a certain side of the field. That screams talent issue. We don't have any DEs who can create pressure on their own. We don't have LBs who can blow up protection. Without Jontez and Cooper, we don't have CBs who can make plays at the LOS. Neal is good in run support and occasionally James. The talent just isn't there. Nobody really flashes outside of Neal and Orange.

We are merely hoping that the QB has to move and throws inaccurately. And when the QB is mobile, we aren't fast enough to keep them from getting 4-8 yards at the least when they can't find a receiver downfield.

 

[madguy30]

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At least 3 of their touchdowns came off of a three man front.

Do you think a 4 man was going to impact that?

Who's the 4th DL that will make the difference?

Who are you putting in the secondary to prevent this?

 

[bozclone]

Did somebody confirm Kyle is back or are we all just thinking he is?

I guess I am hoping. No info though

 

[RezClone]

Bachmeier is the type of QB that can give us problems. Hopefully our offense gets back in sync

They have a really fun offense.

Led by established stars WR* Chase Roberts and RB LJ Martin. Two really good experienced and strong football players.

Then you have the emerging stars loaded with talent in QB Bear Bachmeier and speedster WR Parker Kingston.

Bachmeier is a load, very aggressive downhill power runner who is more athletic than you'd think. His game is kind of like a peak Joel Lanning type skill set.

 

[SolarGarlic]

They have a really fun offense.

Led by established stars RB Chase Roberts and RB LJ Martin. Two really good experienced and strong football players.

Then you have the emerging stars loaded with talent in QB Bear Bachmeier and speedster WR Parker Kingston.

Bachmeier is a load, very aggressive downhill power runner who is more athletic than you'd think. His game is kind of like a peak Joel Lanning type skill set.

Yeah I'm expecting a lot of frustrating third downs where he sheds a tackle and gets the first