Bubu Thread

[CYphyllis]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Your hypocrisy is extreme, even for you.
The only known facts are that this woman maliciously went after with Bubu with falsified evidence, but because a woman accused a man, many people lose their minds. If three women drink, have sex, regret it, and one falsifies evidence to accuse the other of rape, does Leath rule the same? Leath is applying a construction of sexual assault fallaciously based on gender and his own antiquated morals to say the ISU policy was violated.
Besides Leath, as a plant scientist, likely not being as competent in this as a judge, what is alarming is how incompetent he was in handling a process that is not that uncommon at that level. Too busy in Africa?

You want to believe he's a good kid, I get it. It's just not the case. People much more connected to the situation than you will ever possibly be seem to disagree with everything you are attempting to argue. Fight it all you want, continue to attempt to drag the girl through the mud to make a false point, it's pathetic, but I know you won't stop because you've lost sight of reality.

Bubu wouldn't be in the situation he is currently in if he was innocent and any reasonable person can easily see that. The fact that you can't see it yet you still feel justified in questioning Leath's intelligence is just hilarious though.

 

[LutherBlue]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Your hypocrisy is extreme, even for you.
The only known facts are that this woman maliciously went after with Bubu with falsified evidence, but because a woman accused a man, many people lose their minds. If three women drink, have sex, regret it, and one falsifies evidence to accuse the other of rape, does Leath rule the same? Leath is applying a construction of sexual assault fallaciously based on gender and his own antiquated morals to say the ISU policy was violated.
Besides Leath, as a plant scientist, likely not being as competent in this as a judge, what is alarming is how incompetent he was in handling a process that is not that uncommon at that level. Too busy in Africa?

LOL, you worked so hard on this post and you still f***ed it all up.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Read the Hines article. Leath says he agreed with the factual findings. So it appears he didn't base his decision on a credibility determination. Instead, he disagreed with the ALJ's application of the ISU policy to the facts that were presented.

So he agreed with the ALJ that the woman wasn't credible, but he didn't like the way the ALJ applied ISU policy (whatever that means) so he punished Bubu? You're going to have to explain that one because it sounds like gobblygook to me.

 

[LutherBlue]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

So he agreed with the ALJ that the woman wasn't credible, but he didn't like the way the ALJ applied ISU policy (whatever that means) so he punished Bubu? You're going to have to explain that one because it sounds like gobblygook to me.

My guess is that Leath disagreed with the ALJ's interpretation of what it means to give "consent" under the ISU policy. Even if she's a despicable human being, Bubu doesn't get to have sex with her unless she gives consent. That is increasingly being defined by the Dept. of Education's Office of Civil Rights as affirmative consent, not just the absence of any objection by her.* Again, that's my guess, but it seems to me a plausible explanation.

* And no, I don't like that any more than you do.

 

[Tornado man]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

And for those who insist Pollard doesn't have the same opinion as President Leath on this, witness his latest tweet:

Jamie Pollard ‏@IASTATEAD 1h ISU president on Bubu Palo: 'If you won’t value honor before victory, then don’t play here' http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140125/SPORTS020604/140125003 … via @dmregister

 

[Spam]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

And for those who insist Pollard doesn't have the same opinion as President Leath on this, witness his latest tweet:

Jamie Pollard ‏@IASTATEAD 1h ISU president on Bubu Palo: 'If you won’t value honor before victory, then don’t play here' http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140125/SPORTS020604/140125003 … via @dmregister

From Bubu we want honor (honor roll), but from Albert Gary we want victory.

 

[CyArob]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

And for those who insist Pollard doesn't have the same opinion as President Leath on this, witness his latest tweet:

Jamie Pollard ‏@IASTATEAD 1h ISU president on Bubu Palo: 'If you won’t value honor before victory, then don’t play here' http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140125/SPORTS020604/140125003 … via @dmregister

So, Albert Gary values honor before victory????

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

My opinions on JP have really changed after this whole ordeal. I'm still grateful for what he has done but he's out of control.

 

[LutherBlue]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

My opinions on JP have really changed after this whole ordeal. I'm still grateful for what he has done but he's out of control.

Sometimes he just can't help himself. It is a little disconcerting.

 

[Scott34]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

And for those who insist Pollard doesn't have the same opinion as President Leath on this, witness his latest tweet:

Jamie Pollard ‏@IASTATEAD 1h ISU president on Bubu Palo: 'If you won’t value honor before victory, then don’t play here' http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140125/SPORTS020604/140125003 … via @dmregister

I said awhile ago that Pollards arrogance is sickening at times. This just proves my belief even more. Glad for what he's done at ISU, but not a fan of him at all. I just don't understand the need to put this stuff on social media. You expect these type of people to be a little more professional.

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

I'm not surprised by Pollard's backing of the comment because of his religious involvement but there are times as a leader you just have to keep your mouth shut because nothing good can come of opening it.

This is one of those times.

 

[ISUTex]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Interview with Ames Trib prior to the game:

“The appeal came to me June 10th,†said Leath. “The parties thought it was reasonable I give them two weeks to provide information, and then they wanted two weeks to rebut. So there the first month was gone.†Leath said he then had a “long-scheduled, multi-week trip to Africa as part of ISU’s program over there†and did not return until August. “I wanted to do a thorough, careful job,†said Leath, “so I asked all parties would they have any objections about waiting until the end of the month. Nobody had any objections. “And Mr. Palo’s attorney talked to (ISU athletic director) Jamie (Pollard) to make sure we would approve a waiver if there were any concerns about him transferring, and we assured him we would. They never asked us for one. “So actually the timeline seemed very fair and reasonable despite the way some people have portrayed it.â€

Men

Go away Leath. Nobody cares. Just resign already.

 

[ISUTex]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

The only fact I know is that ISU is letting somebody they believe to be a rapist attend classes on full scholarship. What the F@@@ Iowa State? Glad my daughter isn't old enough for college yet. I mean, he's off the team because you believed he raped a chick. Right ISU? Why is he still enrolled on a full ride? Fu@@@ing idiots.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

I'm not surprised by Pollard's backing of the comment because of his religious involvement but there are times as a leader you just have to keep your mouth shut because nothing good can come of opening it.

This is one of those times.

I respect his religious beliefs, and they're likely similar to mine. But he continues to come across as arrogant and judgmental, and that's not doing his religion or anybody else any good here.

 

[ISUTex]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

the bottom line, in my interpretation, is that a lot of people think Bubu did something very wrong while Bubu, his coach and teammates, and many fans disagree.

this seriously reminds me of the first pierre pierce saga at iowa ten years ago.

This is nothing like the Pierre Pierce saga. Not even close.

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

The only fact I know is that ISU is letting somebody they believe to be a rapist attend classes on full scholarship. What the F@@@ Iowa State? Glad my daughter isn't old enough for college yet. I mean, he's off the team because you believed he raped a chick. Right ISU? Why is he still enrolled on a full ride? Fu@@@ing idiots.

I think we have a new leader in the clubhouse for going over the edge.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

I think we have a new leader in the clubhouse for going over the edge.

I think he's being sarcastic. I think he's saying if Leath really does have information from a credible person that BuBu did something wrong here of a sexual nature, what's he still doing enrolled at ISU? The problem is Leath and his backers are the only ones who think the woman is credible.

 

[clonedude]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

My opinions on JP have really changed after this whole ordeal. I'm still grateful for what he has done but he's out of control.

Yeah, I've lost a LOT of respect for both JP and Leath in all of this.

Now all of the sudden they are acting like the morality police, but where were they in the Albert Gary or the David Irving cases? Hypocrites is what JP and Leath are. Sorry, but it's the truth. They aren't consistent at all.

And it's high time for JP to start acting professionally too IMO. All these stupid tweets... is he just an ISU student or is he the AD? Because he's acting like a college student.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Yeah, I've lost a LOT of respect for both JP and Leath in all of this.

Now all of the sudden they are acting like the morality police, but where were they in the Albert Gary or the David Irving cases? Hypocrites is what JP and Leath are. Sorry, but it's the truth. They aren't consistent at all.

And it's high time for JP to start acting professionally too IMO. All these stupid tweets... is he just an ISU student or is he the AD? Because he's acting like a college student.

We're now getting to get a good glimpse of Leath under pressure, but JP has said some headshakers in the past. It's looking like we may have some small men in big jobs. If only they had just said "we respect the court's decision" and kept their mouths shut this situation would be so much better. And the sad thing is if this goes to trial, it may get so much worse, but I'm not sure they're big enough men to admit they've made mistakes and try to get this settled.

 

[Dryburn]

Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

What still bugs me about JP's statement, Leath's reaction and statements, and the State trying to appeal this on behalf of the BOR is this.......every single one of them know going in what the appeal process was, and that there was the possibility that the court might rule against them. Now, they act like the court should not be involved at all, or if they are involved.....how dare the court would rule against them! Like I said before, if the district court had ruled in their favor, we would not have heard anything about how the court should not be involved in determining who does and who does not play on the ISU team. Not a single word.