Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
Sounds like the job is too big for him.
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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
Bias is obvious in this response. If Bubu and his lawyers did not object to the timeline then it is on them. Bubu has not won the case, the courts may still decide there was nothing wrong with the process, this is only a stay because the court ruled that there is enough to go forward with the case and it recognizes that the judicial process is too slow to save Bubu's eligibility if that is the way the court rule's. It is a defacto victory but the case is still undecided.
Bias is obvious in this response. If Bubu and his lawyers did not object to the timeline then it is on them. Bubu has not won the case, the courts may still decide there was nothing wrong with the process, this is only a stay because the court ruled that there is enough to go forward with the case and it recognizes that the judicial process is too slow to save Bubu's eligibility if that is the way the court rule's. It is a defacto victory but the case is still undecided.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
In the interest of fairness, I hope that the courts decide on the case 5 days after ISU plays its last game of the season
In the interest of fairness, I hope that the courts decide on the case 5 days after ISU plays its last game of the season
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
If Leath's story is true, that he conveyed the timeframe to Palo's lawyers and they approved it, then your accusation has no merit.
Obviously the timeframe was problematic, I don't disagree with that.
I disagree with the repeated accusation that he INTENTIONALLY delayed it to further harm Bubu. That is an unfounded accusation.
If Leath's story is true, that he conveyed the timeframe to Palo's lawyers and they approved it, then your accusation has no merit.
Obviously the timeframe was problematic, I don't disagree with that.
I disagree with the repeated accusation that he INTENTIONALLY delayed it to further harm Bubu. That is an unfounded accusation.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
I don't think Leath's statement really says much at all. I do think it puts Fred in an even worse position.
First of all, on his statement, I think the excuse of the Africa trip is pretty weak at best. He could have been reviewing the materials while he was there. It's not like he was having to read War and Peace or something. Plus, iirc, the deadline was near the end of August, and as it approached, he asked for another week. Here is from an earlier Trib article:
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That does not quite jive with his story now, imo...making it sound like he asked everyone at the beginning of August if he could take until the end of the month.
IMO, the decision could have been made, and should have been made before e puts Fred in an even worse position now with this statement, because now if Bubu doesn't play....Leath has dumped it on Fred. I'm not sure a lot of fans will believe that or hold Fred responsible, but that is exactly what Leath is doing, imo.....covering his own *** and putting the burden/blame on Fred as to whether or not Bubu plays. He's kind of just washing his hands of it and saying......."hey....it's not my decision, it's Fred's". I also find it hard to believe that neither he nor JP would have a problem if Fred plays Bubu. That is just not the way the hierarchy of the university works. This isn't Oklahoma of the 50's where they "hoped to build a university the football team could be proud of."
I don't think Leath's statement really says much at all. I do think it puts Fred in an even worse position.
First of all, on his statement, I think the excuse of the Africa trip is pretty weak at best. He could have been reviewing the materials while he was there. It's not like he was having to read War and Peace or something. Plus, iirc, the deadline was near the end of August, and as it approached, he asked for another week. Here is from an earlier Trib article:
"Leath was to issue his decision on Aug. 22, but “advised via email … he would need an additional seven days to issue his decision,†according to court documents.
That took Leath’s decision to Aug. 29, five days into the fall semester, which meant Palo did not have the opportunity to immediately transfer to another school and his scholarship would be counted against ISU’s NCAA limit of 13 for the 2013-14 season despite him not being eligible to play." Men
That does not quite jive with his story now, imo...making it sound like he asked everyone at the beginning of August if he could take until the end of the month.
IMO, the decision could have been made, and should have been made before e puts Fred in an even worse position now with this statement, because now if Bubu doesn't play....Leath has dumped it on Fred. I'm not sure a lot of fans will believe that or hold Fred responsible, but that is exactly what Leath is doing, imo.....covering his own *** and putting the burden/blame on Fred as to whether or not Bubu plays. He's kind of just washing his hands of it and saying......."hey....it's not my decision, it's Fred's". I also find it hard to believe that neither he nor JP would have a problem if Fred plays Bubu. That is just not the way the hierarchy of the university works. This isn't Oklahoma of the 50's where they "hoped to build a university the football team could be proud of."
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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
The bottom line for this is that an ALJ looked at the student code and determined that it was not violated. So, if someone versed in the law is able to make that determination, how can Leath...on his own (of course he had advisers)...make a contrary determination? AND...how is it that other players who have been found innocent or had charges dropped are allowed to compete in ISU athletics?
The bottom line for this is that an ALJ looked at the student code and determined that it was not violated. So, if someone versed in the law is able to make that determination, how can Leath...on his own (of course he had advisers)...make a contrary determination? AND...how is it that other players who have been found innocent or had charges dropped are allowed to compete in ISU athletics?
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
Some of you guys are great.
LOL. It's been Fred's decision since the judge put Palo back on the team. What are you even talking about?
Some of you guys are great.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
Have you ever heard of a decision being overturned on appeal. It happens from time to time.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
It just did, now Leath can stop embarrassing the University.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
This. Bubu's attorney is clearly Jack Kelly from It's Always Sunny.
This. Bubu's attorney is clearly Jack Kelly from It's Always Sunny.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
of course it's been Fred's decision, but by unnecessarily highlighting that, Leath is covering his own ***. Playing niang, Kane or anyone is also Fred's decision
of course it's been Fred's decision, but by unnecessarily highlighting that, Leath is covering his own ***. Playing niang, Kane or anyone is also Fred's decision
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
I did laugh at the Honor before Victory thing Leath talked about. You can't really say you're following that when you have a convicted felon on the football team.
I did laugh at the Honor before Victory thing Leath talked about. You can't really say you're following that when you have a convicted felon on the football team.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
the bottom line, in my interpretation, is that a lot of people think Bubu did something very wrong while Bubu, his coach and teammates, and many fans disagree.
this seriously reminds me of the first pierre pierce saga at iowa ten years ago.
the bottom line, in my interpretation, is that a lot of people think Bubu did something very wrong while Bubu, his coach and teammates, and many fans disagree.
this seriously reminds me of the first pierre pierce saga at iowa ten years ago.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
I agree.
So now Leath basically throws it in Fred's lap and says... "it's up to you Fred if you want to play Bubu or not, but you know how I feel about it.". Wow... what a great spot to be in if you're Fred, huh?
No president should put his head basketball coach in this position. The best thing Leath could do right now is to issue a statement that Iowa State University is going to abide by the court's decision and welcome Bubu back to the team.
I agree.
So now Leath basically throws it in Fred's lap and says... "it's up to you Fred if you want to play Bubu or not, but you know how I feel about it.". Wow... what a great spot to be in if you're Fred, huh?
No president should put his head basketball coach in this position. The best thing Leath could do right now is to issue a statement that Iowa State University is going to abide by the court's decision and welcome Bubu back to the team.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
But, before, no one would hold Fred ultimately responsible. Not really. People would just put the blame on Leath, and then on JP and his statement. Now, Leath is attempting to remove that blame and responsibility and putting it directly on Fred. It is really not that hard to understand.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
As as ironic as that would be, I would potty the judge because he would become a huge villain for having something against either ISU or bubu.
As as ironic as that would be, I would potty the judge because he would become a huge villain for having something against either ISU or bubu.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
Minus the whole being guilty thing... And Fred hasn't made a comment about this yet.
Minus the whole being guilty thing... And Fred hasn't made a comment about this yet.
Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today
After reading this thread, I've come to one logical ( by Cyclonefanatic standards) solution.
fire them all making Fred coach, president, AD, big 12 commissioner , and starting shooting guard.
done! Problems solved
After reading this thread, I've come to one logical ( by Cyclonefanatic standards) solution.
fire them all making Fred coach, president, AD, big 12 commissioner , and starting shooting guard.
done! Problems solved
