Yeah my prediction is based on a couple freshman having big years as well. I agree with you that the additions of JCL and Harris alone do not make us a bubble team.
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Yeah you'll have that. They can just wait a year or two and he might be here anyway.
Either way, I don't think Prohm is gone even if he doesn't make the tournament because of covid. Also, who knows if there will even be a non con. If covid is really bad in late fall early winter that could be a big problem for cbb.
It is a bit interesting that Prohm is still following Gach right? I'm not getting optimistic or anything just think that maybe Gach isn't 100% a Gopher yet. Also, was searching Twitter and saw some Minny fan saying he heard it's Iowa State. Again, doesn't mean anything and that guy probably knows nothing, but something to at least keep an eye on.
I wouldn’t read much into that. Prohm still followed Terrell Gomez on Twitter for a couple days after he picked San Diego State.
probably a pessimistic fan like we have here. Hard to be optimistic unless something leaks. So I will continue to believe we are on the outside
Said this before, but I would be really surprised if Prohm does not have two years on the clock. That was before COVID-19 left a smoldering crater in the budget of the athletic department and probably most of the large donors who could pony up for a buyout of Prohm's remaining contract and securing an apt replacement.
The roster the year after next...
SENIORS = Bolton, Johnson, Conditt IV + any graduate transfers
JUNIORS = Jackson III + Harris (assuming he is not eligible next year)
SOPHOMORES = Walker, Dubar, Blackwell, Foster (assuming they take something of a sophomore leap after playing plenty this upcoming season)
FRESHMEN = as of now, four more spots to fill not otherwise taken. They still could add somebody to come off a redshirt and/or a midyear.
That roster with those seniors is set to "peak." Prohm is going to have a case to "give me one more try" with that senior class and that freshman class having matured a little and ready to ride into battle in the Big 12 to return to respectability.
So we might as well settle in. The Prohm regime probably has at least 20-21 or so months left in it, and it could be more if he turns it all around.
The roster the year after next...
SENIORS = Bolton, Johnson, Conditt IV + any graduate transfers
JUNIORS = Jackson III + Harris (assuming he is not eligible next year)
SOPHOMORES = Walker, Dubar, Blackwell, Foster (assuming they take something of a sophomore leap after playing plenty this upcoming season)
FRESHMEN = as of now, four more spots to fill not otherwise taken. They still could add somebody to come off a redshirt and/or a midyear.
That roster with those seniors is set to "peak." Prohm is going to have a case to "give me one more try" with that senior class and that freshman class having matured a little and ready to ride into battle in the Big 12 to return to respectability.
So we might as well settle in. The Prohm regime probably has at least 20-21 or so months left in it, and it could be more if he turns it all around.
What time is Both supposed to announce? I don't think we get him. However, I am still interested to find out.
Prohm has never had anybody leave and go to another high-major program.
Jordan Ashton = Northern Iowa
Hallice Cooke = Nevada-Reno
Nick Noskowiak = JUCO then disappeared
Simeon Carter = Georgia Southern
Brady Ernst = Florida Gulf Coast then Drake
Jakolby Long = Southern Utah
Terrence Lewis = South Alabama
Zion Griffin = Illinois-Chicago
Caleb Grill = Nevada-Las Vegas
Marcedus Leech = JUCO (Iowa Western to Indian Hills)
Luke Anderson = South Florida
I do not think I missed anybody.
You are right there will be attrition. I am just going to assume (or at least hope) that attrition is not anybody really worth having at this level.
All that does is open up more scholarships with a chance to find a better player. This is why I would take somebody who you know will redshirt this upcoming season to fill scholarship #12. You might as well invest in the future like that. It is not like you are going to be hurting for space next spring -- another development guard/wing like Javan Johnson might be useful the year after next coming off that redshirt or to replace Bolton if he goes pro.
If Prohm is fired it won’t be until the conclusion of 2021-22. Co-Vid 19 has destroyed the budget and in fairness he should have the opportunity to see how the “best class in school history” plays out over the next two years. If we can get to an NCAA tournament in the next two years then it is time for a coaching change.
Even if that occurs I’m sure there will be a few on here preaching about how “it could be worse” despite at that point making the tournament one out of the last five years.
To be fair -- it probably could be worse. Billy Gillispie went 8-23 one year at TTU. As bad as last year was, we still won double-digits even with our best player going down. Prohm going 1/5 on the NCAA tournament is still better than McD.
But I would generally agree with you. If he cannot make it work with that senior class and with the freshman class maturing, then it is never going to work.
Moving on is a jump into the unknown, but we know at that point.
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The 2021/22 season sets up really nice for Prohm. 2020/21....not so much. The question is whether he will make it to the 2021/22 season. My expectation is that he will because JP really wants him to succeed, unless 2020/21 is a total disaster. Having said that, I think this is his last chance.
Is that list a good thing? Guys transferring to non-P5s next year would mean another year with a shorthanded roster with too many guys not at this level. It would be better if next year’s guys disgruntled with PT were good enough to land a P5 offer.
Besides, let’s not be pedantic. His point was there will be attrition and unexpected unavailability. We have lost 4 HM players prematurely in just the last two off-seasons (only one of which was leaving due to good odds of being drafted in the 1st round)
There’s also the fact those previous offseasons aren’t very comparable. If we struggle, next spring will have the new transfer rule in addition to Prohm being on the hotseat. That’s a bad combo.
There’s a very good chance the returning group of the top-8 of this roster will be down a player or two that right now should be here. That’s proven to be hard for this staff to recover from
I think I was more profoundly influenced by the departure of Wesley Johnson than you guys were. I knew McDermott was not going to work out when he lost a future All-American and Top Five draft pick to the transfer market. Imagine if Haliburton had decided to transfer after last season -- imagine that firestorm if Tyrese was about to play for North Carolina. Prohm has never had something that bad happen, which helps me hold out hope.
Nobody Prohm has lost has been all that worth worrying about losing. On an individual basis, clearing the deadwood from the roster is a good thing. On a collective basis, however, if you have to keep clearing and clearing every year, then your recruiting is not good or consistent enough to build a winning program. I think you know I think these things and agree with that point, but I made a different one about no "WJ incidents." That is an extreme example, but Prohm has never had a departing transfer we need to miss much.
Now, that is about the bottom of the roster. You rightfully bring up the top of it and how early departures from good players (e.g., Wigginton, Horton-Tucker, and Haliburton) can screw you just as well. But who do you think is about to go early? Bolton, if he proves he can play PG in the NBA? Blackwell? Conditt? Foster? I look at the rest of the guys, much as I hope for them, but a professional career does not feel in their future.
I guess I have to retreat into the bromide that if those guys were that good to attract serious scouting and professional attention, then they must have led the team to substantial success and/or got hot and drew some attention to themselves in March, which means the program had a good year and Prohm can justify himself pretty easily. I do not think the very weird circumstance where we can have an All-American level player yet a bad team is going to recreate itself. Maybe, but I doubt that happens again.
mcdermott, to his credit, has learned alot and adapted and is a solid bball coach
I hope prohm can learn the same lessons before he moves on to his next school because i believe hes a good man and would like him leading ISU basketball moving forward if hes willing to make staff and strategy changes for sake of recruiting and development. 48-50 the last 3 years isnt working, so make changes to get better
