Bill Fennelly

[geewago]

Without doing research, I would guess that he is also top 5 or 10 for most losses. Seems like all those wins are mostly due to longevity and not some elite success.

It would be interesting to see how he ranks in career winning %. Again taking a guess, but probably barely top 50 I would guess.

Here's some comparisons. This will include lifetime head coaching record. Winning %. Years coached. Avg. wins per year.

Bill Fenelley. 814-383 .679% 38 years. 21.4 wpy
Molly Miller. 314-57 .846% 12 years. 26.1 wpy
Vic Shaeffer 463-210 .687% 21 years. 22 wpy
Jeff Mittey 682-387 .632% 32 years 21.3 wpy
Jeff Walz 504-149 .769% 19 years 26.5 wpy
Kristy Curry 542-313 .635% 27 years 20,2 wpy
Kim Mulkey 768-126 .859% 26 years 29.5 wpy
G Auriemma 1268-165 .885% 41 Years 30.9 wpy

This is a very small sampling of current active coaches. Many of course have retired or are deceased who had admirable records.. If you look at a large sample you will notice that there are many who have decent winning records, but no NC's, & very few if any conference championships. Most all of them avg between 15 - 20 wins per year. And most make the NCAA tourney nearly every year & exit 1st round, or 2nd at best. I've never been overly impressed with such coaches unless they have some very huge disadvantages due to location, no backing from alumni or fans etc. It is not difficult under the system to get 18,19,20 wins a year. 10 to 13 are virtually guaranteed due to cupcake scheduling. Also most every conference has at least 4 to 5 schools that are just plain ole bottom feeders. Practically another 5 to 8 wins assured there. Therefore any coach who can avg 25 or more wins is at least a cut above the rest. Start averaging 28 or more, and throw in 10 or more Conference titles, and even a NC or two.....and that's a great coach, whether you care for them or not. The truth is they can flat out coach, Because you are what your record says you are.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Here's some comparisons. This will include lifetime head coaching record. Winning %. Years coached. Avg. wins per year.

Bill Fenelley. 814-383 .679% 38 years. 21.4 wpy
Molly Miller. 314-57 .846% 12 years. 26.1 wpy
Vic Shaeffer 463-210 .687% 21 years. 22 wpy
Jeff Mittey 682-387 .632% 32 years 21.3 wpy
Jeff Walz 504-149 .769% 19 years 26.5 wpy
Kristy Curry 542-313 .635% 27 years 20,2 wpy
Kim Mulkey 768-126 .859% 26 years 29.5 wpy
G Auriemma 1268-165 .885% 41 Years 30.9 wpy

This is a very small sampling of current active coaches. Many of course have retired or are deceased who had admirable records.. If you look at a large sample you will notice that there are many who have decent winning records, but no NC's, & very few if any conference championships. Most all of them avg between 15 - 20 wins per year. And most make the NCAA tourney nearly every year & exit 1st round, or 2nd at best. I've never been overly impressed with such coaches unless they have some very huge disadvantages due to location, no backing from alumni or fans etc. It is not difficult under the system to get 18,19,20 wins a year. 10 to 13 are virtually guaranteed due to cupcake scheduling. Also most every conference has at least 4 to 5 schools that are just plain ole bottom feeders. Practically another 5 to 8 wins assured there. Therefore any coach who can avg 25 or more wins is at least a cut above the rest. Start averaging 28 or more, and throw in 10 or more Conference titles, and even a NC or two.....and that's a great coach, whether you care for them or not. The truth is they can flat out coach, Because you are what your record says you are.

To accentuate your point, I have only heard of three of those coaches: Bill F. Kim M. and Gino A. The ISU HC and two Hall of Famers who win National Championships.

 

[acoustimac]

Without doing research, I would guess that he is also top 5 or 10 for most losses. Seems like all those wins are mostly due to longevity and not some elite success.

It would be interesting to see how he ranks in career winning %. Again taking a guess, but probably barely top 50 I would guess.

Any time you coach a long time you accumulate losses. Bill isn’t even close to having the most.
His record after last season was 800-378. So now he is 814-382. That puts him at #56 all time winning percentage at 68%.

Lisa Bluder had 359 losses a .666 winning percentage and coached four fewer years.

 

[legi]

Any time you coach a long time you accumulate losses. Bill isn’t even close to having the most.
His record after last season was 800-378. So now he is 814-382. That puts him at #56 all time winning percentage at 68%.

Lisa Bluder had 359 losses a .666 winning percentage and coached four fewer years.

Also since we are only really concerned and debating his work at ISU, we should take out his record at Toledo, which would make the % numbers even worse.

 

[ZorkClone]

Based on this Wiki page, Royce Chadwick leads as the active coach with the most losses with 466 in a 36 year career. Note this list doesn't include this season's stats.

On this list Bill has the 10th most losses among active coaches tied with Jeff Mittie as the High major coaches with the most losses.

Be thankful we don't have Mittie as our coach, I guess.

 

[MuskMisk]

The question is, who comes next? If you move on from CBF, then who do you replace him with? Do you stay in the tree (past player, since not a lot of coaches out there) or bring in all new?

Some of the question comes back to being realistic.

 

[CycloneErik]

Also since we are only really concerned and debating his work at ISU, we should take out his record at Toledo, which would make the % numbers even worse.

With the noncons we play, focusing on conference records seems appropriate.

 

[geewago]

Also since we are only really concerned and debating his work at ISU, we should take out his record at Toledo, which would make the % numbers even worse.

To the contrary. His winning % at Toledo was 758. At ISU 650 as of today.

 

[OWLCITYCYFAN]

With the noncons we play, focusing on conference records seems appropriate.

Per Cyclones.com, thru yesterday: CBF's 30+ season conference record at ISU is 299-214 (.583).

That's respectable for a P5 conference. The problem is he doesn't win when it matters.

In 1999-2000, ISU finished 13-3 in a three way tie for first place with Texas Tech and Oklahoma. ISU handily defeated TT 62-37 and OU 71-56, with both games taking place in Ames.

Unfortunately, ISU was swept by fourth place KU (11-5), by scores of 58-49 and 79-71. The killer loss that season was on the road to 8th place KSU (6-10), 69-63.

I was a relatively young ISU WBB fan in 1999-2000 and 2000-2001, not realizing we'd already reached CBF's high water mark and that for the next 25 years, there would be no better opportunities to win a regular season conference crown.

I don't hate the man, but he's had his opportunity three times over - enough is enough - it's somebody else's turn. To paraphrase Motley Crue, "Coach, don't walk away mad, coach, just walk away!"

 

[DGC]

Per Cyclones.com, thru yesterday: CBF's 30+ season conference record at ISU is 299-214 (.583).

That's respectable for a P5 conference. The problem is he doesn't win when it matters.

In 1999-2000, ISU finished 13-3 in a three way tie for first place with Texas Tech and Oklahoma. ISU handily defeated TT 62-37 and OU 71-56, with both games taking place in Ames.

Unfortunately, ISU was swept by fourth place KU (11-5), by scores of 58-49 and 79-71. The killer loss that season was on the road to 8th place KSU (6-10), 69-63.

I was a relatively young ISU WBB fan in 1999-2000 and 2000-2001, not realizing we'd already reached CBF's high water mark and that for the next 25 years, there would be no better opportunities to win a regular season conference crown.

I don't hate the man, but he's had his opportunity three times over - enough is enough - it's somebody else's turn. To paraphrase Motley Crue, "Coach, don't walk away mad, coach, just walk away!"

2021-2022 we were a home win against Baylor from at least a share of the regular season title. We got spanked by 25 points.

Also in 35 years, he has only been able to win more than one NCAA Touney game outside of Hilton like once or twice.

I have been a big CBF supporter, but at this point in time I think its time for a change.

 

[acoustimac]

Also since we are only really concerned and debating his work at ISU, we should take out his record at Toledo, which would make the % numbers even worse.

Why? He’s a coach. Period.

But to satisfy your morbid curiosity…
He had a winning percentage of 68% at Toledo
He has a winning percentage of 67% at Iowa State

Next…

 

[deadeyededric]

Per Cyclones.com, thru yesterday: CBF's 30+ season conference record at ISU is 299-214 (.583).

That's respectable for a P5 conference. The problem is he doesn't win when it matters.

In 1999-2000, ISU finished 13-3 in a three way tie for first place with Texas Tech and Oklahoma. ISU handily defeated TT 62-37 and OU 71-56, with both games taking place in Ames.

Unfortunately, ISU was swept by fourth place KU (11-5), by scores of 58-49 and 79-71. The killer loss that season was on the road to 8th place KSU (6-10), 69-63.

I was a relatively young ISU WBB fan in 1999-2000 and 2000-2001, not realizing we'd already reached CBF's high water mark and that for the next 25 years, there would be no better opportunities to win a regular season conference crown.

I don't hate the man, but he's had his opportunity three times over - enough is enough - it's somebody else's turn. To paraphrase Motley Crue, "Coach, don't walk away mad, coach, just walk away!"

He should get all the credit for making the women's program what it is. That being said he's also the reason the ceiling on this program is pretty much getting to the 2nd round of the tourney. We can do more.

 

[legi]

Why? He’s a coach. Period.

But to satisfy your morbid curiosity…
He had a winning percentage of 68% at Toledo
He has a winning percentage of 67% at Iowa State

Next…

You do you, but for me his coaching and record at Toledo is irrelevant when judging his success at ISU. Simple as that.

It’s ok to be critical of Bill. He will be fine and ISU will be fine. I am not so sure about you.

 

[IcSyU]

Id be alright with going to the bargain bin for the next coach and putting the savings towards reducing the deficit.

 

[acoustimac]

Per Cyclones.com, thru yesterday: CBF's 30+ season conference record at ISU is 299-214 (.583).

That's respectable for a P5 conference. The problem is he doesn't win when it matters.

In 1999-2000, ISU finished 13-3 in a three way tie for first place with Texas Tech and Oklahoma. ISU handily defeated TT 62-37 and OU 71-56, with both games taking place in Ames.

Unfortunately, ISU was swept by fourth place KU (11-5), by scores of 58-49 and 79-71. The killer loss that season was on the road to 8th place KSU (6-10), 69-63.

I was a relatively young ISU WBB fan in 1999-2000 and 2000-2001, not realizing we'd already reached CBF's high water mark and that for the next 25 years, there would be no better opportunities to win a regular season conference crown.

I don't hate the man, but he's had his opportunity three times over - enough is enough - it's somebody else's turn. To paraphrase Motley Crue, "Coach, don't walk away mad, coach, just walk away!"

Stats are always fun when you leave out context which you do a great job of. Any idea why the team (not him alone) lost to KU? I’ll let you research that since you were a young whipper snapper back then.

You always conveniently add “outright” to the conference titles. How many Big 12 teams have accomplished that? Only OU (5), Texas (1), TTU (2), Baylor (12), KU (1), KSU (1), Nebraska (1) and TCU (1).

Tournament Titles?
Colorado (1j, TTU (2), ISU (3), OU (4), Texas (3), Baylor (11), A&M (2), WVU (1), TCU (1)

It’s ok that you dislike Fennelly and want him gone. But do realize…the grass isn’t always greener. Look at TTU since Marsha Sharp retired. Look at A&M since Gary Blair left. Thats exactly where ISU can land versus finding an ideal replacement like OU did. Do I want better? Every freaking year I want to compete for the title. But when we don’t get there I don’t lose my mind over it.

 

[acoustimac]

You do you, but for me his coaching and record at Toledo is irrelevant when judging his success at ISU. Simple as that.

It’s ok to be critical of Bill. He will be fine and ISU will be fine. I am not so sure about you.

You didn’t notice he has had the same level of success throughout. READ

 

[JEFF420]

what are you gonna do today sweetie. well im gonna argue about womens college basketball in the internet today

 

[Tpups21]

Stats are always fun when you leave out context which you do a great job of. Any idea why the team (not him alone) lost to KU? I’ll let you research that since you were a young whipper snapper back then.

You always conveniently add “outright” to the conference titles. How many Big 12 teams have accomplished that? Only OU (5), Texas (1), TTU (2), Baylor (12), KU (1), KSU (1), Nebraska (1) and TCU (1).

Tournament Titles?
Colorado (1j, TTU (2), ISU (3), OU (4), Texas (3), Baylor (11), A&M (2), WVU (1), TCU (1)

It’s ok that you dislike Fennelly and want him gone. But do realize…the grass isn’t always greener. Look at TTU since Marsha Sharp retired. Look at A&M since Gary Blair left. Thats exactly where ISU can land versus finding an ideal replacement like OU did. Do I want better? Every freaking year I want to compete for the title. But when we don’t get there I don’t lose my mind over it.

Agree. The next head coach is just as likely to be Theresa Becker as they are Bill Fennelly.

 

[mwwbbfan]

He should get all the credit for making the women's program what it is. That being said he's also the reason the ceiling on this program is pretty much getting to the 2nd round of the tourney. We can do more.

What sport at ISU has been consistently more successful than WBB? We would all like to win more games and go further in the tournament - just what program at ISU are you seeing having consistent more success?

 

[deadeyededric]

What sport at ISU has been consistently more successful than WBB? We would all like to win more games and go further in the tournament - just what program at ISU are you seeing having consistent more success?

That's doesn't mean we can't strive to be better. We've been doing this for almost 3 decades now. This program might have more potential than most we have. Its time to aim higher. Is there any reason it can't achieve even more success? Is it limited by anything other than a better coaching staff?