Big12 Preseason Honors
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During 2014 Big 12 play:
Ellis - 24.4 PER, 59.3 TS%, 53.4 eFG%, 13.6 TRB%, 127 ORtg, .202 WS/40
Niang - 17.3 PER, 51.4 TS%, 50.0 eFG%, 7.8 TRB%, 102.3 ORtg, 0.099 WS/40
I don't really have a problem with any of it. Besides, the ones that really count are at the end of the season.
Yeah, super weird that Big 12 coaches would choose a player from the ten time defending champs.
How dare you use logic and common sense over fandom! People not seeing what Ellis is going to do to the Big 12 this year is based only on the jersey he wears. He had better Big 12 numbers than Niang in everything but assists and I look for Ellis to have another big spike in productivity this year. Should be the safest pick for 1st team Big 12.
not arguing that Ellis shouldn't have been unanimously chosen, but if you think coaches are using advanced statistics (let alone filling out the ballot themselves) you have no clue.
So is it favoritism or accidentally choosing the guy with the better stats?
All these narratives are confusing.
O THANK GOD! The Red Legs have shown up. Who knows what horrific things might have happened without a bunch of Kansas Fanboys to set things straight.
I can rest assured now that all is well in the world.
As for player accolades--I'll prefer to let them play and we can gather back at season's end so the Red Legs can interpret the results.
Neither, it is from scouting these guys over the past few years and realizing the quality of player they are. Do you honestly think coach Self would take 30 minutes out of his day to research advanced statistics and break down who he should vote for?
Aaron White (Iowa) might be a better comparison since both he and Ellis are #4's/"Glue Guys" making their livings in the paint and on the free throw line. Georges can play #1 thru #5. 96.4% of Ellis shots are 2's and free throws - he only took 24 - 3's in 35 games making 8. Of course your going to be more efficient shooter and rebounder when the majority of shots are in the paint, dunks, spot up 12 footers, and free throws. Georges took 147 - 3's or 25.7% of his total shots. Ellis shot 152 free throws 32.4% of his shot total Georges 104 free throws which was only 18.2% of his shot total. Below is a write up from www.shotanalytics.com.
Inside-outside threat
Georges Niang is one of the most unorthodox players in the country, but he’s also the piece that makes Iowa State’s offense work. If you’ve watched Iowa State play at all this season, you’ve seen him firing up threes, going to work on the low block, or even distributing the ball. He’s not having an efficient season from 3-point range, shooting just 31%, but he has an array of different moves to finish around the basket.
Because of Niang’s versatility, he can play anywhere on the floor. He’s the tallest Cyclone, so he often draws the opposition’s five man, but has the talent to shoot over him, drive past him, or post him up. By pulling opposing big men away from the basket, Niang creates space for other Cyclones to attack the rim. He also shows incredible discipline to avoid taking mid-range shots given his high usage rate.
Of course your going to be more efficient shooter and rebounder when the majority of shots are in the paint, dunks, spot up 12 footers, and free throws.
I have to disagree with the idea that non 3-point shooters should be more efficient than players that take a significant number of 3-pointers. The three most efficient shooters in the nation last year shot a high number of 3 pointers.
Jason Calliste - 129 3-point attempts
Ethan Wragge - 234 3-point attempts
Niels Giffey - 120 3-point attempts
I have to disagree with the idea that non 3-point shooters should be more efficient than players that take a significant number of 3-pointers. The three most efficient shooters in the nation last year shot a high number of 3 pointers.
Jason Calliste - 129 3-point attempts
Ethan Wragge - 234 3-point attempts
Niels Giffey - 120 3-point attempts
Yeah, you're probably right. I hear most coaches don't spend much time during the season breaking down stats on opposing players...
You are operating on the flawed assumption that everyone in the nation shoots the same 3 point percentage as they guys you listed.
