Big XII contingency plan

[delt4cy]

I hate to start a new thread but I wanted to start a new spin-off of the discussion.

It appears that UT/TTU/OU/OSU are headed West.
This leaves: ISU/KSU/KU/MU/Baylor as the 5 final pieces of the Big 12.

Here are a few key scenarios I would like to see play out:

1A. Massive Exit penalties, the 5 remain together

1. Big 12 offices move to KC

2. In this scenario, I would prefer to retain our Texas foothold and grab some combo of TCU/SMU/and Houston.

3. After securing a Texas presence, attempt to lure a combo of Louisville, Cincy, Air Force, & BYU.

4. Retain AQ status and create a much more manageable league and an opportunity for ISU to become very competitive.

 

[HoopsTournament]

NO SMU

Also pull in UCF and USF for Florida recruiting.

 

[erikbj]

I hate to start a new thread but I wanted to start a new spin-off of the discussion.

It appears that UT/TTU/OU/OSU are headed West.
This leaves: ISU/KSU/KU/MU/Baylor as the 5 final pieces of the Big 12.

Here are a few key scenarios I would like to see play out:

1A. Massive Exit penalties, the 5 remain together

1. Big 12 offices move to KC

2. In this scenario, I would prefer to retain our Texas foothold and grab some combo of TCU/SMU/and Houston.

3. After securing a Texas presence, attempt to lure a combo of Louisville, Cincy, Air Force, & BYU.

4. Retain AQ status and create a much more manageable league and an opportunity for ISU to become very competitive.

Not to be a negative nancy, BUT

once the superconferences are established, NO AQ status will be available outside of those 4 conferences. Also why attempt to bring these other schools up to AQ status why ISU is fighting for 1 of the 4 spots in the B1G??? Need to reduce competition, not increase it.

 

[State43]

NO SMU

Also pull in UCF and USF for Florida recruiting.

This!
I like this arrangement personally
WEST:
ISU
MU
KU
KSU
BYU
Baylor

EAST:
USF
Louie
Cinci
rutgers
TCU
Houston

Or North South again but that wouldn't benefit us too much.

North:
MU
ISU
KU
KSU
BYU
Rutgers

South:
Loui
Cinci
TCU
Houston
Baylor
USF

 

[cmoore_23]

West. * * * * * * * * * * * * East
Boise State * * * * * * *Iowa State
BYU. * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mizzou
Baylor. * * * * * * * * * * * ND
TCU * * * * * * * * * * * * * * USF
SMU. * * * * * * * * * * * * * WV
Houston. * * * * * * * * * * Cincy
Kansas. * * * * * * * * * * *Louisville
Kansas St. * * * * * * * * *Rutgers

Wildcards (incase some teams don't agree)
Air Force
New Mexico
Villinova (would be a BIG jump)
Northern Illinois*
UCF/FIU

 

[State43]

Not to be a negative nancy, BUT

once the superconferences are established, NO AQ status will be available outside of those 4 conferences. Also why attempt to bring these other schools up to AQ status why ISU is fighting for 1 of the 4 spots in the B1G??? Need to reduce competition, not increase it.

But this is just media propoganda. Not to mention, who says the Big 10 is expanding, they may sit tight at 12 too, which would leave SEC at 14 and ACC at either 14 or 16.

 

[State43]

West. * * * * * * * * * * * * East
Boise State * * * * * * *Iowa State
BYU. * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mizzou
Baylor. * * * * * * * * * * * ND
TCU * * * * * * * * * * * * * * USF
SMU. * * * * * * * * * * * * * WV
Houston. * * * * * * * * * * Cincy
Kansas. * * * * * * * * * * *Louisville
Kansas St. * * * * * * * * *Rutgers

Wildcards (incase some teams don't agree)
Air Force
New Mexico
Villinova (would be a BIG jump)
Northern Illinois*
UCF/FIU

It is sad, but we may need Boise for football respect...

 

[SvrWxCy]

Not to be a negative nancy, BUT

once the superconferences are established, NO AQ status will be available outside of those 4 conferences. Also why attempt to bring these other schools up to AQ status why ISU is fighting for 1 of the 4 spots in the B1G??? Need to reduce competition, not increase it.

Who says there will be no AQ conferences outside of those four? If remnants of Big 12 and Big East combine under one of those conference names it would be pretty hard to take away their AQ status...

 

[acgclone]

Did we really need another thread for your "contingency plan"? There are countless pages on this stuff already.

 

[Clonegrad07]

Why can't the Big 12 stay together now and just add those teams? Why are OU, Okie St, TT, and Texas so hell bent on leaving now? What's wrong with this conference:

North:
Iowa State, MU, Kansas, K-State, Louisville, WVU
South:
Texas, TT, Baylor, OU, Okie State, BYU

If we need two additional teams, Notre Dame is an obvious one if they'll want a conference for the North and TCU for the south. If not ND, take Cincy.

 

[Knownothing]

ND is not coming to the big 12. The only way we go to the big 10 is if Iowa and Nebraska rally the rest of the big 10 to ask us to come. So basically If Nebby and Iowa don't rally for us we are screwed there.

Also the Big 12 has been so far has not even attempted to reach out to any other teams. Basically they have sat and watched other conferances pick off our teams.

 

[erikbj]

Who says there will be no AQ conferences outside of those four? If remnants of Big 12 and Big East combine under one of those conference names it would be pretty hard to take away their AQ status...

8 BCS spots (or whatever replaces the BCS). 4 conferences (8 Leagues), each League champion gets a AQ spot. They are not going to give a AQ spot to the left overs.

 

[HFCS]

I think Missouri and WV are out long term as either Big Ten or SEC. I also think either ISU or Kansas, and possibly KSU is out long term as Big Ten but I'll include those 3 for now.

There needs to be a focus on getting some good football, geography be damned.

West:
Boise State
TCU
BYU
AFA
Houston
KSU
KU

East:
ISU
Louisville
East Carolina
South Florida
UCF
Cincy
Memphis

Or

North:
ISU
KU
KSU
Boise State
AFA
BYU

South:
TCU
Houston
UCF
South Florida
Cincy
Memphis
East Carolina

Big East catholic schools go to their own hoops league, they're loosing 3 marquee programs and Rutgers anyway.

Those are your 13 best with Big 12/Big East leftovers, and ISU, KU, KSU, South Florida, Louisville, and Cincy could still all find a better home possibly.

 

[HFCS]

8 BCS spots (or whatever replaces the BCS). 4 conferences (8 Leagues), each League champion gets a AQ spot. They are not going to give a AQ spot to the left overs.

If they have 8 team playoff, with 4 conference champs, they'd be smart to not only have the 4 at large bids, but guarantee one to a team outside the super 4 NFL leagues.

If they don't they'll be forced to do something like it in the lawsuit they lose.

 

[cyingreen]

Why are OU, Okie St, TT, and Texas so hell bent on leaving now? What's wrong with this conference?


This is THE question that both puzzles and grieves me. In the minds of NU and aTm, UT was the bad guy, the reason for leaving. (Not sure about CU, but they always wanted to be with their cultural peers on the west coast.) But now, it appears as though TX is not so bad: three other conference schools are leaving with UT. If nobody likes UT, why join a different conference where UT will also be? Everyone says it's about the money, but the new Big XII TV package looked pretty darn good. I don't understand any of this.

 

[SvrWxCy]

Also the Big 12 has been so far has not even attempted to reach out to any other teams. Basically they have sat and watched other conferances pick off our teams.

Your name suits you well here, that is absolutely false. There have been reports that we had talked to Arkansas (albeit brief) and a few of the latest reports have indicated that BYU would be interested as long as the current Big 12 could come to an extended & more solid agreement.

 

[aeroclone]

Who says there will be no AQ conferences outside of those four? If remnants of Big 12 and Big East combine under one of those conference names it would be pretty hard to take away their AQ status...

Okay, so you will have a B1G anchored by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame. You have a PAC with Oregon, USC, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma. You have the SEC with Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU. And you have the ACC with Va Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami.

Now, tell me, which of these contingency leftover conferences deserves a seat at the table with these conferences in college football? Who are our top 4 here? BYU, Boise, TCU, and KState? Seriously? The gap between this league and the big 4 would be much wider than the gap between the MWC and the BCS conferences today. Those top programs in the big conferences aren't going to want to give up a spot to us. And the bowls won't be excited about that league either (see the decision to put TCU and Boise up against each other this year). This is about money, and most of these schools just wouldn't make any. The gap between this league and the others would grow every year. It may or may not take a couple years, but we would get shutout of a BCS/playoff/whatever eventually.

 

[HFCS]

Your name suits you well here, that is absolutely false. There have been reports that we had talked to Arkansas (albeit brief) and a few of the latest reports have indicated that BYU would be interested as long as the current Big 12 could come to an extended & more solid agreement.

I think the Big 12 actually shot themselves in the foot contacting irrational longshots like Pitt and Arkansas. You only contact a Pitt, if you have a 100% agreement from ND. Contacting Pitt without ND is the second stupidest thing we did in all of this, contacting Arkansas was the most stupid, and the third most stupid was...

They contacted BYU...an entire year too late. The correct and obvious move to stabilize the conference would have been to add BYU the day after Colorado left. 90% of this board was against me on it at that time, but it was the right move and the Big 12 screwed up if its goal was to exist. BYU adds more to the league than CU did, completely idiotic not to replace CU with them.

 

[cyowa]

ND is not coming to the big 12. The only way we go to the big 10 is if Iowa and Nebraska rally the rest of the big 10 to ask us to come. So basically If Nebby and Iowa don't rally for us we are screwed there.

Also the Big 12 has been so far has not even attempted to reach out to any other teams. Basically they have sat and watched other conferances pick off our teams.

Then we are screwed. Ne / IA helping us just ain't gona happen.

 

[Win5002]

Obviously none of these situations are ideal but at least it would be an ok league for basketball, especially if Louisville and Memphis were in the mix. Hoiberg is young and I Ithink has a great future.

The football competition is not terrible, it just won't compare with the heavyweights in the BCS conferences. Or at least the B1G, PAC & SEC, it may be on par competition wise with the ACC honestly(their conference sucks in football). What it does to the tv revenues of the schools may be a different story.