Big-12 / Pac-12 possible merger

[CaseyJones]

If I read this correctly, this idiot thinks we are the least desirable P12 candidate

Big 12 Football: 3 least appealing schools for PAC-12 expansion

Finding a home from this perspective in a conference like the PAC-12 could be tough for some of the remaining Big 12 football programs.

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Looks to me like he’s saying ISU is the best of the 3 – “the toughest…to turn down.”

"What might be the toughest of the three Big 12 schools on this list for the PAC-12 to turn down if the opportunity presented itself is the Iowa State Cyclones."

 

[Cyclonepride]

Looks to me like he’s saying ISU is the best of the 3 – “the toughest…to turn down.”

"What might be the toughest of the three Big 12 schools on this list for the PAC-12 to turn down if the opportunity presented itself is the Iowa State Cyclones."

I think we're one of the top three (OSU, ISU, TT) in desirability.

 

[Cyclad]

Looks to me like he’s saying ISU is the best of the 3 – “the toughest…to turn down.”

"What might be the toughest of the three Big 12 schools on this list for the PAC-12 to turn down if the opportunity presented itself is the Iowa State Cyclones."

Agree, as I re read it. He says we are one of the three most undesirable, but the most desirable of the three. If I wanted to make that argument (I don’t) I would base it on access to the nations second most populous state - Texas.

 

[cykadelic2]

Thanks - Understand.
But is the new pile of $, divided by 20, greater than the existing p12 pie divided by 12? If the 12 lose $, I doubt they want a deal with the 8.
I just do not know. But, I suppose we can hope Fox wants to be a player of some magnitude.

A combined inventory of P12/B12 games would be more appealing to the likes of Amazon due to a significantly larger geographic, alum, and fan footprint than than either conference individually. And if an over the air network like CBS or NBC gets involved as well, they will have more choice in selecting the top Game of the Week to broadcast.

ESPN obviously has no interest in the remaining 8 B12 schools other than at AAC pricing. And outside of USC/Oregon and 9 PM CT (or later) kickoffs, they likely have tepid interest in the P12 as well given they are now all in with the SEC and ACC.

Fox is going to be all in the with B10 so I question if they will be in a position to offer the existing P12 the dollars they are looking for and they certainly cannot afford to bid on all of the P12 inventory.

It is imperative IMO that the P12 engage bidders beyond ESPN and Fox and perhaps the best method to interest those bidders is adding B12 inventory to the package being offered for the mutual benefit of both conferences (or a merged conference). And it is also imperative that PACN no longer be involved with CFB, gets sold to a new entrant, or gets decommissioned.

 

[HouClone]

Maybe the Pac-12 will subcontract Larry Scott as an intermediary for the merger of the 8 Big 12 schools. So instead of punching him in the face like before, we'll be, "Come on in Larry! Can I get you a drink or something while we talk?"

 

[Neptune78]

True, but what he says is somewhat correct. People think that if CMC leaves we will become a doormat.

Those same people thought Matt Campbell, or any coach, could never win in Ames.

 

[CyLyte2]

You have to look at the bigger picture here. ESPN and the SEC are trying to remake college football at the expense of everyone else. Everyone else need to come together and shut ESPN and SEC off. It's not just about TV sets or viewership. It's about overall inventory and controlling the college football landscape.

 

[cytor]

Would LOVE to see Disney dump E$PN. If Apple, AMAZON and others get in the broadcast wars, the "worldwide leader of sports" would be an afterthought in about 10 years.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Those same people thought Matt Campbell, or any coach, could never win in Ames.

Or would leave once he attained any amount of success.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Those same people thought Matt Campbell, or any coach, could never win in Ames.

Great point!

Unfortunately, people get stuck in the past.

Iowa State is now a winning PROGRAM under Matt Campbell. When / if he ever leaves, it is not a matter of doom and gloom, but whether ISU chooses a good replacement or not. My point is that he didn't have one year of success and bolt.

The current 5th year seniors have NEVER experienced a losing season at Iowa State, have Bowled each year, and they have ALL won a game in every other Big Xii stadium in their Cyclone career.

Iowa State now has a winning program, and the will continue to do so as long as they don't hire a dodo bird.

Just my onion.

 

[knowlesjam]

I think we're one of the top three (OSU, ISU, TT) in desirability.

KU comes in before TT...easy. And, likely in front of OSU. Basketball and being an AAU member matters to the PAC.

 

[20eyes]

Great point!

Unfortunately, people get stuck in the past.

Iowa State is now a winning PROGRAM under Matt Campbell. When / if he ever leaves, it is not a matter of doom and gloom, but whether ISU chooses a good replacement or not. My point is that he didn't have one year of success and bolt.

The current 5th year seniors have NEVER experienced a losing season at Iowa State, have Bowled each year, and they have ALL won a game in every other Big Xii stadium in their Cyclone career.

Iowa State now has a winning program, and the will continue to do so as long as they don't hire a dodo bird.

Just my onion.

I assume your post is predicated on ISU landing in the Pac/B1G (P2/3/4/...). Because no amount of talent at HC will take us to the heights MC has if we're relegated and no one as talented as MC will stay very long if we're relegated.

 

[t-noah]

Oh i dont think its quite that far off. We all assume OuT will be gone after this year. So each Big12 team needs 2 more games. So thats 16 opponents. They could find a way to get some pac12 teams to fill those, and maybe put them on the pac12 network as a condition/enticement. It would be tough to schedule only a year in advance but possible.

I do agree w you the pac is in no rush here. And they will wait on the b1g, who are definitely holding all the cards right now.

I like the new name for OU, OuT. Does the T stand for anything? Other than it spells out?

Of course I prefer OuFu, personally.

 

[t-noah]

It’s been fairly well documented that the remaining 8 teams do not move the needle much with regard to viewership. Thus, I question what benefit it brings the P12 to enter into an agreement of any kind with those 8 teams. Is Oregon/Washington/USC, etc just itching for a trip to Lubbock/Manhattan (KS)/, etc? What’s motivating that?

The goal of the talks IMO is to combine the FB inventory of both conferences with the goal of engaging networks in bidding beyond ESPN and Fox. Benefits both conferences or ultimately a merged conference.

I haven't read to end of thread yet. But my answer might be that a merger, however likely or unlikely, say between existing Pac 12 + orphaned 8 (Wv?, Houston, Cinncy?), would create added excitement to the league as a whole. In other words Pac would be gaining the Midwest time zone and teams. That might add "eyes" from existing Pac fanbase to want to watch the former Big 12 (8) teams. But I would think it would definitely create new fans of the Pac in the Midwest, who would then be inclined to watch all Pac games televised maybe thruout the day, from 1100 to 2100 CDT.

That could be a lot of new interest, viewership and excitement for a new Pac 20.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I assume your post is predicated on ISU landing in the Pac/B1G (P2/3/4/...). Because no amount of talent at HC will take us to the heights MC has if we're relegated and no one as talented as MC will stay very long if we're relegated.

If ISU ends up in the AAC or the MWC, that does not mean the program has to go in the toilet. ISU will still have better facilities and a larger fan base than any of the teams in either of those leagues, and a winning program. It's not like JTS and the other faciliteis are going to be imploded. ISU just has to make sure that their next HC hire is solid football coach with a vision like the current one is and not make a dodo hire.

 

[Allikat]

If I read this correctly, this idiot thinks we are the least desirable P12 candidate

Big 12 Football: 3 least appealing schools for PAC-12 expansion

Finding a home from this perspective in a conference like the PAC-12 could be tough for some of the remaining Big 12 football programs.

hookemheadlines.com

Why should we care what any University of Texas expert thinks about the desirability of anyone to conference expansion.

Call me cynical but any press originating from clear UT or OU sources that I see encouraging a merger of the Big 12 with others or trying to highlight the imminent destruction of the Big 12 I view as an attempt to find a way for UT and OU to avoid paying a buyout.

They have chosen to leave. They can pay for the choice they made.

 

[t-noah]

Great point!

Unfortunately, people get stuck in the past.

Iowa State is now a winning PROGRAM under Matt Campbell. When / if he ever leaves, it is not a matter of doom and gloom, but whether ISU chooses a good replacement or not. My point is that he didn't have one year of success and bolt.

The current 5th year seniors have NEVER experienced a losing season at Iowa State, have Bowled each year, and they have ALL won a game in every other Big Xii stadium in their Cyclone career.

Iowa State now has a winning program, and the will continue to do so as long as they don't hire a dodo bird.

Just my onion.

And I believe Matt C. tends to 'go against the grain'. He has proven that already by what he has done and the fact that he is still here. He loves a challenge, he is loyal, he is not necessarily drawn to the blueblood schools or their systems. He is creating his own system, and a 5 star culture.

I believe he will see this new college football transition and progression through. At least to a point. I think he is going to want ISU to be and remain successful if and when he decides to leave.

 

[t-noah]

Why should we care what any University of Texas expert thinks about the desirability of anyone to conference expansion.

Call me cynical but any press originating from clear UT or OU sources that I see encouraging a merger of the Big 12 with others or trying to highlight the imminent destruction of the Big 12 I view as an attempt to find a way for UT and OU to avoid paying a buyout.

They have chosen to leave. They can pay for the choice they made.

uTFu
OuFu
HaHa

 

[t-noah]

That could be a lot of new interest, viewership and excitement for a new Pac 20.

I would never watch another sec game under espn!

 

[usedcarguy]

KU comes in before TT...easy. And, likely in front of OSU. Basketball and being an AAU member matters to the PAC.

Not exactly. Only 8 PAC12 schools are AAU members. From what I've been told, they do have threshold of being Carnegie tier 1 research institutions which isn't quite as steep of a qualification. All current Big12 members with the exception of TCU and Baylor would qualify under that standard.