Big 12 Expansion (new thread)

[KnappShack]

From what I understand, in the mid to late 80's Arkansas had a desire to move to the Big 8, however, there was no consensus on a 10th team and no desire to stay at a 9 team conference. Also, there were hopes at that point in time that Kansas State might just drop out of the conference, and in that event, Arkansas would be the preferred replacement.

Doesn't it seem ISU and our conference has made just about every wrong decision up until Johnny for basketball and Mac for football?

Every conference decision, lack of institutional support, apathy, etc. Maybe it was just the era. A simple time....

To even be in the discussion as a power school in this Hunger Games Beyond Thunderdome era is sort of amazing.

 

[CascadeClone]

It'll be fun when there's a breakaway league that splits from the SEC. I'm going to assume Texas will lead that charge and kill another conference

Who would follow Texas anywhere? I mean OU is doing it now, but that's because SEC, not because UT.

But 5 years from now, if Texas says "I'll build my own conference, with blackjack, and hookers" who in the SEC in their right mind would go with them? I could see them go independent though, after 5 years of 8-4 in the SEC West.

If Texas quit the SEC, A&M might lose 100,000 fans from dehydration due to overclimaxing.

 

[AuH2O]

Doesn't it seem ISU and our conference has made just about every wrong decision up until Johnny for basketball and Mac for football?

Every conference decision, lack of institutional support, apathy, etc. Maybe it was just the era. A simple time....

To even be in the discussion as a power school in this Hunger Games Beyond Thunderdome era is sort of amazing.

Probably more amazing is spending the early days of the facility arms race with a President that was openly and aggressively adversarial to athletics, and the peak days of the arms race with an absolute dope of an AD and still being in this position.

 

[KnappShack]

Who would follow Texas anywhere? I mean OU is doing it now, but that's because SEC, not because UT.

But 5 years from now, if Texas says "I'll build my own conference, with blackjack, and hookers" who in the SEC in their right mind would go with them? I could see them go independent though, after 5 years of 8-4 in the SEC West.

If Texas quit the SEC, A&M might lose 100,000 fans from dehydration due to overclimaxing.

$$$

The Cows:. Hey, Alabama. See Vandy over there? What do they bring to the party? Mississippi State too? You KNOW we can make more cash and they're OBVIOUSLY holding us back with recruiting

Tide: Hummm......now that you mention it. ESPN would double our pay too??

Call a press conference

 

[Cyclonepride]

From what I understand, in the mid to late 80's Arkansas had a desire to move to the Big 8, however, there was no consensus on a 10th team and no desire to stay at a 9 team conference. Also, there were hopes at that point in time that Kansas State might just drop out of the conference, and in that event, Arkansas would be the preferred replacement.

Extrapolating that alternate plane of existence out, we'd arrive at the present day without @surly. Let's pause for a moment to think about that.

 

[aeroclone]

Who would follow Texas anywhere? I mean OU is doing it now, but that's because SEC, not because UT.

But 5 years from now, if Texas says "I'll build my own conference, with blackjack, and hookers" who in the SEC in their right mind would go with them? I could see them go independent though, after 5 years of 8-4 in the SEC West.

If Texas quit the SEC, A&M might lose 100,000 fans from dehydration due to overclimaxing.

Yeah, pretty much this. UT keeps trading up. From the SWC to the B12 to the SEC, and leaving destruction in their wake. Their is nowhere to trade up now, the SEC is at the top of the heap. All they could do is go independent, and in that case the SEC will be just fine.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

This podcast is very interesting. Brown and Fischer say that Colorado State/Air Force are looking to jump to the AAC because they don't expect Boise State to still be in the Mtn West in four years. And they say that the Boise State admin is confident that they are the next school up whenever the Big 12 goes back to the expansion table.

 

[surly]

Extrapolating that alternate plane of existence out, we'd arrive at the present day without @surly. Let's pause for a moment to think about that.

Just think what I'll be like after October 16th.

 

[cykadelic2]

This podcast is very interesting. Brown and Fischer say that Colorado State/Air Force are looking to jump to the AAC because they don't expect Boise State to still be in the Mtn West in four years. And they say that the Boise State admin is confident that they are the next school up whenever the Big 12 goes back to the expansion table.

The Boise St "love" is overrated IMO. They have had a good sustained run but there is certainly no guarantee they sustain it with their new staff and it's not like they have significant advantages that will enable them to sustain their run as a G5 program. If ISU is somehow in the B12 with Boise St or Memphis, I will puke.

With their new stadium, recruiting turf, market (now that Chargers are gone) and academics, San Diego St should be the clear MWC #1 choice to poach with Colorado St #2 (despite currently being burdened with Steve Addazio).

 

[cyIclSoneU]

The Boise St "love" is overrated IMO. They have had a good sustained run but there is certainly no guarantee they sustain it with their new staff and it's not like they have significant advantages that will enable them to sustain their run as a G5 program. If ISU is somehow in the B12 with Boise St or Memphis, I will puke.

With their new stadium, recruiting turf, market (now that Chargers are gone) and academics, San Diego St should be the clear MWC #1 choice to poach with Colorado St #2 (despite currently being burdened with Steve Addazio).

Boise State has had a much longer run of sustained success than UCF, Cincinnati, or Houston, and it not even close. They have been a Top 25 program for the last 20 years. Colorado State and SDSU don’t even belong in the same breath as Boise State in terms of success over time.

 

[KnappShack]

The Boise St "love" is overrated IMO. They have had a good sustained run but there is certainly no guarantee they sustain it with their new staff and it's not like they have significant advantages that will enable them to sustain their run as a G5 program. If ISU is somehow in the B12 with Boise St or Memphis, I will puke.

With their new stadium, recruiting turf, market (now that Chargers are gone) and academics, San Diego St should be the clear MWC #1 choice to poach with Colorado St #2 (despite currently being burdened with Steve Addazio).

Take your first paragraph and cross out Boise and substitute Iowa.....

 

[cyfan92]

I don't want to even entertain adding more members to the BIg 12 at Memphis/Boise level until we know for sure how stable the Pac-12 is once their GOR are being ironed out.

Unless we are heading to the B1G... I would rather wait for CU, Utah and the AZ schools to bail on the PAC

 

[cykadelic2]

Boise State has had a much longer run of sustained success than UCF, Cincinnati, or Houston, and it not even close. They have been a Top 25 program for the last 20 years. Colorado State and SDSU don’t even belong in the same breath as Boise State in terms of success over time.

So what? As I mentioned, there is no guarantee they sustain that success and I doubt they will. Plus, their academics suck. I want no part of them in the B12 as long as ISU is a member. SDSU and CSU both have better long term potential to achieve/sustain FB success plus their academic profiles are on a clear level above Boise's.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

So what? As I mentioned, there is no guarantee they sustain that success and I doubt they will. Plus, their academics suck. I want no part of them in the B12 as long as ISU is a member. SDSU and CSU both have better long term potential to achieve/sustain FB success plus their academic profiles are on a clear level above Boise's.

Couldn’t care less about their academics personally. All of recent history is evidence against CSU or SDSU being better than Boise State as well. Academics do not matter for this decision and I’m glad the Big 12 presidents and ADs have agreed with that with their recent invites. This is an athletic conference. And Boise State has been a better football program than most of the P5 in this millennium. We associate with the AAU for academics and with the Big 12 for sports and that’s fine.

 

[cykadelic2]

Couldn’t care less about their academics personally. All of recent history is evidence against CSU or SDSU being better than Boise State as well. Academics do not matter for this decision and I’m glad the Big 12 presidents and ADs have agreed with that with their recent invites. This is an athletic conference. And Boise State has been a better football program than most of the P5 in this millennium. We associate with the AAU for academics and with the Big 12 for sports and that’s fine.

The academic profiles of Cincy, BYU, UCF and UH (and SDSU & CSU) are all clearly above that of Boise St and Memphis. It is a factor for B12 Presidents and should continue to be if there is additional expansion and schools like ISU are still in the conference.

 

[Gorm]

$$$

The Cows:. Hey, Alabama. See Vandy over there? What do they bring to the party?

There will always be a desire to have at least 1 private school in every conference. Conferences stash all of their important documents, like tv contracts, at private universities so that they are protected from FOIA.

This is why Vandy, Baylor, Northwestern...etc are important to those conferences.

 

[JM4CY]

Just think what I'll be like after October 16th.

 

[Gilbyone]

Two thoughts:
When the B12 was formed the Texas Governor was.........wait for it..... a Baylor graduate. Now you know how they got into the B12.

If the B12 expands further it will be with teams from the three eastern time zones: east, mid-west, and mountain. The failure of the P12 is because they do not have access to the midwest and eastern time zones for games. After their tv contracts expire, the four mountain time zone teams (Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado) will be prime for the picking. However, because the B1G continues to look east, they may try and pick off our eastern tz teams (WVa and Cin).

Uff Da, what fun, Eh.

GO CLONES
GO CHIEFS

 

[dunar]

...plus their academic profiles are on a clear level above Boise's.

Couldn’t care less about their academics personally...

No idea how it would shake out if Boise was added to the B12, but it reminded me how TX insisting on not allowing partial qualifiers was the beginning of the end for Nebraska. Would anyone in the B12 be able to demand a higher level of academics or bother to do it like TX did back in the 90s?

 

[JM4CY]

We. Don’t. Want. Boise.

It. Makes. No. Damn. Sense.