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cy1010 said:
Playoffs only "solve" the problem if you define the "best team" as a team that would win a playoff. And that obviously only begs the question.
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Amen, brotha. All the whining about the BCS (and it's a crappy system, I agree with that) in the effort to find the "best" team ... well, there ain't no perfect way to do that. Iowa State just beat Oklahoma State ... does anyone seriously think ISU should be ranked above the Cowboys as a better overall team? That's what you get with playoffs. Nothing wrong with playoffs as a system to find your champion, but you must understand that's not necessarily going to give you the best team as a champion.

Anyway ... I would hate a rematch between LSU and Alabama. Not because it was a low-scoring affair (I think it was a pretty good game between two really good defenses), but because ... what are you asking LSU to prove? That they're better than Alabama? They already did that. Why should they have to do it again?

Let's assume LSU wins out (thereby giving Arkansas its second loss). The only one-loss teams potentially left are:
Alabama (already lost to LSU, at home)
Oklahoma State (lost on the road in double OT)
Stanford (lost at home to Oregon and really didn't look good)
Virginia Tech (really? Their best win is Ga Tech, and they got schooled by Clemson)
Boise State (lost at home to a decent TCU team)
And then a potentially undefeated Houston (best wins are UCLA and La Tech. Really?)

Who do you pick from that? I personally wouldn't pick Alabama, as I said. Nor Stanford or Va Tech. All the commotion over the past few weeks has proved how difficult it is to go unbeaten in college football, but I can't quite see Houston's schedule making them a contender. So I would lean towards Okie State, or even Boise State.

But with the national media and the voters drinking that smooth, smooth SEC Kool-Aid (now in delicious Crimson Tide flavor!), I fear we'll be getting that dreadful rematch that won't really prove anything if Bama wins.
 
cy1010 said:
Playoffs only "solve" the problem if you define the "best team" as a team that would win a playoff. And that obviously only begs the question.
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KidSilverhair said:
Amen, brotha. All the whining about the BCS (and it's a crappy system, I agree with that) in the effort to find the "best" team ... well, there ain't no perfect way to do that.
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And yet the only time anybody complains about how the NFL Playoffs are "imperfect" is in defense of the atrocious BCS system.

The NFL playoffs may be imperfect, but does anyone argue about the validity of the Packers being the NFL champion, especially in light of this current season?
 
jdoggivjc said:
And yet the only time anybody complains about how the NFL Playoffs are "imperfect" is in defense of the atrocious BCS system.

The NFL playoffs may be imperfect, but does anyone argue about the validity of the Packers being the NFL champion, especially in light of this current season?
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You can cherry pick results all you like. What about the St. Louis Cardinals? Both of their WS titles in the last decade have been them being a decent team who gets hot at the right time, and that's in a sport where the playoffs are based on a series.

Again, it all depends how you want to define the "best" team. Or, maybe you don't care who the "best" team is and you just want a definitive champion. That's fine, and a legitimate position.

It just seems silly to debate BCS v. playoff without first defining what the objective of the postseason system should be.
 
cy1010 said:
You can cherry pick results all you like. What about the St. Louis Cardinals? Both of their WS titles in the last decade have been them being a decent team who gets hot at the right time, and that's in a sport where the playoffs are based on a series.

Again, it all depends how you want to define the "best" team. Or, maybe you don't care who the "best" team is and you just want a definitive champion. That's fine, and a legitimate position.

It just seems silly to debate BCS v. playoff without first defining what the objective of the postseason system should be.
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Cherry pick or not - how many people question the validity of the Cardinals being the champions of baseball those two years?
 
xboxfever said:
Why have NFL playoffs than? What happens when a team like the Packers gets hot and runs the table? Playoffs solve everything.
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No, they actually don't. Actually, playoff systems are pretty ineffective in determining the best team for a year. How many times over the last 20 years has the best team throughout the whole season actually won the Super Bowl. Not many. If what you are doing is trying to name the best team in the given sport over the course of the whole year, the BCS does a wonderful job of that. It has done better than anything. I have done a complete 180 on this. I used to be in favor of the playoff system but I think it's pretty nice to be able to name the winner of the game the best in the Nation or at least not be able to say they aren't.

Now, if we're selfish, playoffs are great. The drama is great and the idea is great but they don't achieve what we want to achieve.
 
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