You have a good point, but I just haven't seen Arnaud run like that yet. If he could, it would be no contest.
Bates vs Arnaud
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You have a good point, but I just haven't seen Arnaud run like that yet. If he could, it would be no contest.
I think if he starts that proves it!
Bates is good! I think people are going nuts about how good of an athlete he is. That doesn't make a good QB necessarily. AA is athletic as well. He was the 6th ranked dual threat QB in the country and he has a big time arm. He knows the office and makes the right read.
Example: his TD pass to Darks. I bet you Darks was his 3/4 option on that play. He found him and made a great throw to him
True. He hasn't had to yet. I know he has the speed.
When Harris broke his long run, the only person catching him was AA. The two SDSU players couldn't but AA was gaining ground. Very impressive
I think I'm in the minority that would prefer we stick with two quarterbacks. I think its pretty clear that AA is a better QB right now and Bates probably has more upside. I think anyone who says Bates should clearly be the starter is drinking a bit of the Seneca Wallace kool-aid right now. Bates looks like he would be a run first QB whereas Seneca was a pass first QB. I don't think Bates is there right now.
I also think Bates is a riskier option as far as turnovers go. He fumbled that one and his deep completion to Jones looked to be underthrown.
I'd stick with the system we had in that first game. It certainly doesn't look like we lose a lot of cohesion switching between QBs, so I don't think that is a risk. If Bates turns out to be more turnover prone, you lessen that risk by only playing him 2-3 possessions per half. I think there is a big benefit to having him in there some, in that opposing defenses will have to game plan both ways and adjust on the fly. Its possible that he could even be more effective part time, since if he were full time, defenses would just have to prepare for him and not both QBs.
I haven't seen a replay, but did we look to the sideline as often with Bates out there as we did with Arnaud?
I also think Bates is a riskier option as far as turnovers go. He fumbled that one and his deep completion to Jones looked to be underthrown.
I'd stick with the system we had in that first game. It certainly doesn't look like we lose a lot of cohesion switching between QBs, so I don't think that is a risk. If Bates turns out to be more turnover prone, you lessen that risk by only playing him 2-3 possessions per half. I think there is a big benefit to having him in there some, in that opposing defenses will have to game plan both ways and adjust on the fly. Its possible that he could even be more effective part time, since if he were full time, defenses would just have to prepare for him and not both QBs.
I haven't seen a replay, but did we look to the sideline as often with Bates out there as we did with Arnaud?
He also held his ground with a blitz in his face until Darks came open. To me, that showed some big time QB smarts. I bet Bates would have been scrambling, although its really to early to judge what he would have done.
I don't know how anyone could think Bates gained any ground on Arnaud in the first game. First off Bates fumbled the ball, that is not rookie mistake that is part of the fundamentals of the game by protecting the football at all times. Second, I was not impressed with a couple of Bates passes that were less than crisp, 1 of them I thought looked like a "duck" pass.
I was very impressed with Arnaud's poise and confidence as well as how the offense just seemed to operate smoother with him running it. Yes, Bates had some nice runs but also consider the team on the other side of the ball defending it. I'd like to see more of both of them but I bet you by the Iowa game Arnaud is taking most of the snaps. They both can run, Bates more than AA, but in the passing game I think Arnaud has the edge and to me I'd much rather have a solid passing QB than one that is going to run more than pass. The more Bates plays the more defenses are going to defend him against the run and make him throw the ball. I think both are talented players but I'm not sold that we'd be better off with a running QB. We have plenty of depth at RB this season, I'd rather hand the ball off to one of our RB than have our QB exposing himself to more hits.
I was very impressed with Arnaud's poise and confidence as well as how the offense just seemed to operate smoother with him running it. Yes, Bates had some nice runs but also consider the team on the other side of the ball defending it. I'd like to see more of both of them but I bet you by the Iowa game Arnaud is taking most of the snaps. They both can run, Bates more than AA, but in the passing game I think Arnaud has the edge and to me I'd much rather have a solid passing QB than one that is going to run more than pass. The more Bates plays the more defenses are going to defend him against the run and make him throw the ball. I think both are talented players but I'm not sold that we'd be better off with a running QB. We have plenty of depth at RB this season, I'd rather hand the ball off to one of our RB than have our QB exposing himself to more hits.
That was nuts. How on earth did he get that close? Heck, he nearly blocked a guy in the back on the 5 yard line. That would have been an amazing penalty.
agree. AA is the man. I would be shocked to see Bates take over. If he does and is successful then I am happy anyway, but I don't see AA not starting anytime soon.
I think a lot of people prefer the myth and legend of Bates to what he has actually shown us.
Arob fumbled on the one yard line, should we play Jason Harris instead? I think Phil's fumble is irrelevant, it was a broken down play and he had guys coming from every direction at him on a 3rd down. Other than that, In his first ever game as a QB running actual plays, He looked good, Lets not forget his is 18 right now. His talent level is on another level...
The reason i want to see Phil be successful, Is because i do not want to see him transfer away from ISU. He is a very strong part of our recruiting as a host, everyone that he hosts comes away loving him and the university as well as the football program. He is an ambassador to our future success here, and i know he has it in him once he works out his kinks.. to be one of the best QBs Iowa State has ever had, That being said, i also think Austen has the capacity to be one of our greatest as well, Austen wont trasnfer.. Phillip Bates will.
The reason i want to see Phil be successful, Is because i do not want to see him transfer away from ISU. He is a very strong part of our recruiting as a host, everyone that he hosts comes away loving him and the university as well as the football program. He is an ambassador to our future success here, and i know he has it in him once he works out his kinks.. to be one of the best QBs Iowa State has ever had, That being said, i also think Austen has the capacity to be one of our greatest as well, Austen wont trasnfer.. Phillip Bates will.
So we play a kid b/c he will transfer if we don't?!
Regardless, he will play. He just won't be getting all the snaps.
Your comparison to ARob doesn't make much sense. All fumbles are relevant and should be looked at. We have seen much much more of ARob at this time in his career than we have of Bates. I personally like Bass more than ARob and not b/c of his fumble. I think AA is the better QB and not b/c of Bates fumble. But turnovers are always relevant. Broken play ornot
I don't care who starts and who comes in later. I want to see the 2 QB system, a la Florida under "the 'ol ball coach."
33, you want to see him successful because you don't want him to transfer? I want him and everyone else on the team to be successful for the betterment of the team...
33, you want to see him successful because you don't want him to transfer? I want him and everyone else on the team to be successful for the betterment of the team...
I am pretty sure AA is going to be the QB at least for a while, but Bates obviously has a lot of talent. I hope both can play some for now, but ultimately, I don't know what will happen. Arnaud did nothing to lose the position far as I can tell.
Boy, I rarely ever disagree with 33 but starting someone so they don't transfer has to be the WORST reason ever. If he is to start then beat out AA for the job. Very simple. I doubt Chizik is saying, "I don't care if Bates is better and gives us a better chance to win, start Arnaud anyway."
I agree with you on wanting to keep the 2 QB system. I think AA should start and take the majority of the snaps and that PB should be brought in as a change of pace.
If you are referring to when Florida did this with Chris Leak and Tim Tebow then that was under Urban Meyer not Steve Spurrier (who was at South Carolina at the time).
Gotcha. I didnt mean to offend, just wondering cause I actually would like to see our two QBs used in a similar way. I would take a similar outcome as well...but I'm a realist and will settle for another bowl victory.
As long as everyone is happy, I don't mind playing both, but long term that usually doesn't work out. I wish we could have redshirted Bates last year, but he was too good to do so.
