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CoachHines3

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But few full backs are drafted high, and they had to fill it with someone. Are you making the case it should have been one of our players?
Nope, don't have enough knowledge on FBs in the league. Plus, Klotz missed games so wouldn't be him anyway.
 

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Several players on defense. Verdon. Fryler. Orange.
Sorry, but I just did not see any of our defensive players and think Total STUD, there was no McDonald, or Kline out there, none of our DB's were lock down corners, and a player like Fryler is hurt because he is a hybrid player, really not a LB or a DB.

Now should a team playing in the conference championship game get a pick or two? They should, but if you line up the players we have outside of Noel and Higgins, not sure you could make the case our players are better than those that were chosen.
 

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Looking at 1st and 2nd teams, you'd think Kansas & Kansas St were playing this weekend. We should've had more 2nd teamers given our record but nope, half our team is honorable mention.
 
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Sorry, but I just did not see any of our defensive players and think Total STUD, there was no McDonald, or Kline out there, none of our DB's were lock down corners, and a player like Fryler is hurt because he is a hybrid player, really not a LB or a DB.

Now should a team playing in the conference championship game get a pick or two? They should, but if you line up the players we have outside of Noel and Higgins, not sure you could make the case our players are better than those that were chosen.
This is just plain wrong. Darrien Porter is most definitely a lock down corner.
 

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Ya kinda does because if you are a high draft pick you are showing it on the field, you are a difference maker. Who on the roster this season can you really say that about, other than Noel and Higgins? Becht was up and down, our RB's were much the same way, no TE had the stats. We are a very good team, made up of average to a little above average players that are well coached.
There's obviously a correlation, but it's also possible to be a really good college player that doesn't project to be a high NFL draft pick. Or, because a guy like Jontez is not draft eligible.

Makes total sense for the #1 pass defense in the league to have nobody on the 1st team while KU's #13 pass defense had two DBs on the first team.

But it's true that ISU doesn't really have too many guys that are carrying the team, particularly on defense. There have been a lot of guys that have been great like Orange and Verdon, but they've also missed time or been less than 100% a lot.
 

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For those of us clamoring Higgins for 1st team.. here are the stats of all 4. Guessing it was a very close vote. I cant argue one way or the other based of stats between Tyson/Higgins. The other 2 deserved it.

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Counter to that is who had Noel next to them stealing numbers. A lot of 1 show ponies vs having a dog on your side who earned stealing stats.
 
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But few full backs are drafted high, and they had to fill it with someone. Are you making the case it should have been one of our players?
There's usually only 1, maybe 2, fullbacks drafted every year. I don't think Stevo will get drafted, but he will sign somewhere and will have a good shot to make a final roster, depending on where he signs.
 

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There's obviously a correlation, but it's also possible to be a really good college player that doesn't project to be a high NFL draft pick. Or, because a guy like Jontez is not draft eligible.

Makes total sense for the #1 pass defense in the league to have nobody on the 1st team while KU's #13 pass defense had two DBs on the first team.

But it's true that ISU doesn't really have too many guys that are carrying the team, particularly on defense. There have been a lot of guys that have been great like Orange and Verdon, but they've also missed time or been less than 100% a lot.
You are looking at team stats, while something like this is chosen by people looking at the individual player, not the team as a whole. Can you sit there and say "Orange was one of the best dlineman in the conference or Verdon one of the 4 best DB's in the league?" Both are fine players, but this season neither was the best of the best at their position in the league, and that is what they are looking for.
Being draft eligible would have little to do with this, if the guy can play, that should be evident on the field by his play, his draft eligibility would not matter.
 

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#1 Defense, 1st place in conference.

One guy on the entire 24 spot ALL Conference team as a kick returner?

If this isn't some bulletin board material I don't know what is. You'd think ISU was 13th and Utah was 1st.
 
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