I'm still trying to figure out how it helps the Drake bigmen but is harmful to ours. They had a pretty good year last year.
7/6 Cap City games
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Might want to check which conference the national champion was from this past year, and what conference that team plays in, and then what conference ISU plays in...
This is all I could find in the NCAA Div 1 handbook...
14.7.3 Exceptions to Outside-Competition Regulations.
14.7.3.1 In All Sports.
(a) High School Alumni Game. A student-athlete may compete in one game a year involving players from the student-athlete's former high school and its alumni team. In sports other than basketball, this game must take place during an official vacation period of the institution's academic year.
(b) Olympic Games. A student-athlete may participate in the official Olympic Games, in final tryouts that directly qualify competitors for the Olympic Games, and in officially recognized competition directly qualifying participants for final Olympic Games tryouts. (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
(c) Official Pan American Games Tryouts and Competition. A student-athlete may participate in official Pan American Games tryouts and competition. (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
(d) U.S. National Teams. A student-athlete may participate in official tryouts and competition involving national teams and junior national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing bodies of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for the student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic sport, the equivalent organization of that sport). (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
(e) Official World Championships, World University Games and World Cup Tryouts and Competition. A student-athlete may participate in official World Championships, World University Games and World Cup tryouts and competition. (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97; Revised: 8/9/01)
(f) Multisport Events. A student-athlete may participate in officially recognized state and national multisport events. (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
14.7.3.2 Additional Exceptions for Basketball Only.
(a) Summer League. A student-athlete may compete during the period between June 15 and August 31 or the institution's opening day of classes (see Bylaw 17.02.11.3), whichever comes earlier, on a team in a league certified per Bylaw 30.14, provided the student-athlete has received written permission from the institution's athletics director (or the director's official representative) prior to participation in the league. If the student-athlete is transferring and has been officially accepted for enrollment in a second institution, and if the previous institution certifies that the student has withdrawn and does not intend to return to that institution for the next term, this written permission is to be obtained from the member institution to which the student-athlete is transferring. Under such circumstances, the student-athlete does not count on the summer-league roster as a representative of either institution. (Revised: 1/11/94, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 10/28/99 effective 8/1/00, 2/24/03, 4/14/03)
(b) Puerto Rico Superior Basketball League. A student-athlete who is a resident of Puerto Rico may participate in the Superior Basketball League of Puerto Rico (see Bylaw 12.02.4).
(c) United States vs. U.S. National Teams. A student-athlete may participate in the United States against U.S. national teams. (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
(d) Outside-Team Tours. A student-athlete may participate in an outside team summer foreign basketball tour (see Bylaw 17.32.2).
(e) Predraft Basketball Camp. A student-athlete using the draft exception set forth in Bylaw 12.2.4.2.1 may participate in a predraft camp sponsored by a professional sports organization (during the summer or academic year), provided the student-athlete has received written permission from the institution's director of athletics. (Adopted: 4/24/03)
30.15 SUMMER BASKETBALL EVENT CERTIFICATION -- MEN'S BASKETBALL
In men's basketball, in order for a summer basketball event (e.g., camp, league, tournament or festival) to be certified, a certification application form must be submitted each year to the NCAA national office 45 days before the start of the event. An event review form for each event also must be submitted to the national office not later than three months after the event sessions. The following criteria must be met by each event in order to be certified: (Adopted: 11/1/01 effective 4/1/02, Revised: 1/13/03, 4/29/04)
(a) Admissions fees charged to all event participants must be similar;
(b) No air or ground transportation or other gifts or inducements shall be provided to the event participants or their coaches or relatives;
(c) A prospective student-athlete who attends an NCAA certified event shall not retain any athletics equipment or apparel provided for his use at the event other than an event T-shirt. All other apparel (e.g., shoes or shorts) may be retained only if the prospective student-athlete is charged the normal retail value of such items (as opposed to the event's cost in purchasing the items);
(d) Compensation provided to event personnel shall be commensurate with the going rate for event personnel of like teaching ability and event experience;
(e) The event or tour shall include a comprehensive educational session presented in-person or in a video format that includes a review of regulations related to initial-eligibility standards, gambling, agents and drug use; (Revised: 1/13/03)
(f) An event operator, staff member of a league or member of any team may not participate if the individual has been found guilty or pleaded guilty in a court of law for having been involved in sports bribery, point shaving or game fixing;
(g) The event shall not be conducted in a venue where sports wagering on intercollegiate athletics is permitted, or on property sponsored by an establishment that permits sports wagering on intercollegiate athletics or branded with signage for such an establishment; (Adopted: 1/14/02)
(h) No individual or agency involved in the marketing of any individual's athletics reputation or ability (including an employee of an agent or anyone associated with an agent in his or her capacity of marketing any individual's athletics reputation or ability) shall be associated in any capacity with the event (or any team participating in the event); (Revised: 11/1/07)
(i) The event (and any team participating in the event) may not receive financial support from any individual or agency involved in marketing any individual's athletics reputation or ability or any representatives of an NCAA member institution's athletics interests that is assisting or has assisted in the recruiting process;
(j) Individuals involved in coaching activities must have been approved in accordance with guidelines established by the NCAA basketball certification staff; (Revised: 1/13/03)
(k) Participants on nonscholastic teams must be legal residents of the state in which the team is located or a geographically adjoining state and not more than a total of three prospective student-athletes from adjoining states may participate on any one nonscholastic team; (Revised: 1/13/03)
(l) A participant may receive an award, provided the cost of the award is included in the participants entry fee; (Adopted: 1/13/03 effective 1/13/03)
(m) Qualified medical personnel must be present at the event; (Adopted: 1/8/07)
(n) Athletically related activities are precluded prior to 8 a.m. and the last athletically related activity may not begin later than 10 p.m.; (Adopted: 1/8/07)
(o) Prospective student-athletes may participate in no more than five games over a rolling two-day period and in no more than three games on any one day; and (Adopted: 1/8/07)
(p) The price of event packets must be listed on the event certification application and the price must be made available to coaches prior to their arrival at the event; and (Adopted: 1/8/07)
(q) The event operator must provide proof of medical insurance coverage for event participants. (Adopted: 11/1/07)
Yes, Drake was lucky that they didn't have to play Kansas last year - but they did play us - and beat us by 35.
That being said, I doubt that any of Drake's improvement came about because of the Capital City League. They simply had a great coach.
Wow, someone actually hauling out the NCAA "Compliance Handbook" during this discussion...WOW!
I think that bigger cities tend to have summer league programs with superior talent. I know that some of the LSU players have played over in Houston the last several years specifically because of the competition level available. Maybe they have a summer league going on in Fremont, NE...I hear the competition level over there is killer!!!! JUST KIDDING.
One of the best things that can happen is to go on one of these summer trips to Spain, Italy, China, or wherever as a team...as someone earlier mentioned. I'm not sure how often this is allowed but with this approach the team is actually playing together and being coached during a time when it is not typically allowed. I can't remember for certain, but I believe LSU did this before their Final Four season a few years ago. When is the last time that ISU did this?
I think that bigger cities tend to have summer league programs with superior talent. I know that some of the LSU players have played over in Houston the last several years specifically because of the competition level available. Maybe they have a summer league going on in Fremont, NE...I hear the competition level over there is killer!!!! JUST KIDDING.
One of the best things that can happen is to go on one of these summer trips to Spain, Italy, China, or wherever as a team...as someone earlier mentioned. I'm not sure how often this is allowed but with this approach the team is actually playing together and being coached during a time when it is not typically allowed. I can't remember for certain, but I believe LSU did this before their Final Four season a few years ago. When is the last time that ISU did this?
Per NCAA rules you can only take a trip like that every four years.
If the CCL was a complete waste of time McDermott wouldn't let them participate. I just don't see how this is a big deal. It may not be the absolute best option but it's the best one available obviously. The best option would be to bring in somebody like Tim Grove and have him work with the guys all summer long building individual skills. That's not feasible. There just aren't enough good leagues around here.
If the CCL was a complete waste of time McDermott wouldn't let them participate. I just don't see how this is a big deal. It may not be the absolute best option but it's the best one available obviously. The best option would be to bring in somebody like Tim Grove and have him work with the guys all summer long building individual skills. That's not feasible. There just aren't enough good leagues around here.
It's not the best option for some of the players. CCL might not be harmful, but it sure isn't helping anything either...[/quote]
What do you really want the guys to do this summer? Go to KU and scrimmage every week? Of course it would be better to play against B12 studs every week. That's intuitively obvious. You make it sound like the CCL is the team's summer training tool. It isn't.
It's organized pick-up ball and we shouldn't be concerned that it's damaging the player's games. The only downside is injury possiblity. If they weren't in the CCL they's still be playing pick-up basketball which has the same injury possibilities.
Seriously, what's your beef with the CCL? If you expect it to magically improve the players you are expecting to much.
What do you really want the guys to do this summer? Go to KU and scrimmage every week? Of course it would be better to play against B12 studs every week. That's intuitively obvious. You make it sound like the CCL is the team's summer training tool. It isn't.
It's organized pick-up ball and we shouldn't be concerned that it's damaging the player's games. The only downside is injury possiblity. If they weren't in the CCL they's still be playing pick-up basketball which has the same injury possibilities.
Seriously, what's your beef with the CCL? If you expect it to magically improve the players you are expecting to much.
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If it's intuitively obvious that it would be good to play against better competition, then why isn't it being done (outside of Lucca)? Players from other teams do it.
We'll just have to disagree on that. I believe CCL encourages bad habits and bad fundamentals (particulalry for inside players) that carry over into the start of MBB season. In addition, it doesn't help players improve for Big 12 play.
Didn't Drake play as USA basketball a few years back overseas for the summer? Or maybe it was a Big XII team that did it....
Sheesh. This is one of those situations where I freely admit I don't know what's best for the players but I do believe there is somebody in McDermott that is paid a heck of a lot of money to do what's best for them.
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Drake did a tour of the Carribean last year. They said it did alot to build the team and create their style of play.
