***2026 Minnesota Vikings***

Looking at Over the Cap, McCarthy is actually only at $5M next year. Could sign Jones for $5M and have a $10M QB Room then fill the roster out with the $25-40M saved from not signing Darnold
You want JJ to succeed the most, he needs a season where he’s taking snaps as number 2, getting familiar with the receivers and playbook, speed and flow. He didn’t have anytime doing that this year. You would be throwing him out there like a college freshman who enrolled a semester early. Best to to give him a year, if you can.
 
You're seriously comparing his time with the Jets and Panthers to his current situation? Those are two of the most inept franchises in the league and KOC seems to be a QB savant.

He has alot more weapons in Minnesota than he's ever had also. I have no dog in this figth and as a Bears fan I'd love for you guys to kick him to the curb for some unproven guy who didn't do much st Michigan.
Didn't do much at Michigan cough (a national championship and a second college football playoff appearance) is a whole hell of a lot more than what Caleb Williams did at USC.
 
I'm just not convinced they can't get similar production from Jones or McCarthy. I think KOC's system and the wide receivers make guys look good. Cousins also looked good here, then got benched for a rookie the first season he went to a new team.

If you're gonna pay $40million, the QB better be great because it kills your ability to build a roster around them. If someone else offers him $40million so be it. Let's see how it works out. I'd take him back for $30mill tops.

One year price tag. The window is now. Cousins was not even at Darnold’s level. What makes you think Jones is the answer? You don’t put JJ at risk till fully recovered. Heal and learn. Smart move is pay Darnold the Franchise him.
 
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MIN's record is hiding the fact that their roster still needs a lot of help. IOL is bad. CBs are bad-ish. IDL is bad-ish. Many of the newer contracts on defense are short-term rentals that won't stay cheap. Going back to dropping 35+ on a QB right now will be a huge roadblock to shoring up other holes. MIN also doesn't have **** for draft picks this year, so that alone isn't gonna fill many of those holes.
And let's not forget the secondary has a couple aging players (hitman and gilmore). Plus while I would hope Flores remains the DC for many years to come, I would be shocked if he isn't a HC somewhere next year.

The defense will need a lot of work next year. And look at some of the QB's they'll face next year (outside the NFC North): Hurts, Daniels, Penix, Lamar, Burrows, Herbert

The defense will likely struggle quite a bit next year IMO.
 
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You want JJ to succeed the most, he needs a season where he’s taking snaps as number 2, getting familiar with the receivers and playbook, speed and flow. He didn’t have anytime doing that this year. You would be throwing him out there like a college freshman who enrolled a semester early. Best to to give him a year, if you can.
He was pretty damn close to winning the job in training camp. He has had all year to understand the system, lingo, etc. He has had mental reps. Is training camp enough to give him the physical reps next year? I am not sure, but Bo Nix has had a hell of year this year. Why can't McCarthy be on that level (with a hole hell of a lot more talent around him than Bo Nix has).
 
MIN's record is hiding the fact that their roster still needs a lot of help. IOL is bad. CBs are bad-ish. IDL is bad-ish. Many of the newer contracts on defense are short-term rentals that won't stay cheap. Going back to dropping 35+ on a QB right now will be a huge roadblock to shoring up other holes. MIN also doesn't have **** for draft picks this year, so that alone isn't gonna fill many of those holes.
If they can't sign him to an extension, I hope Kwesi franchise tags Murphy. He has lowkey been balling out at Corner and is a legit top 10 corner in the league right now. Outside of him, Gilmore has been fine but is getting old and Griffin has been marginal. Not sure how Blackmon is progressing, but they definitely need help there. I hope they sign DJ Reed from NYJ. He and Murphy could be a nice lockdown combo.
 
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You want JJ to succeed the most, he needs a season where he’s taking snaps as number 2, getting familiar with the receivers and playbook, speed and flow. He didn’t have anytime doing that this year. You would be throwing him out there like a college freshman who enrolled a semester early. Best to to give him a year, if you can.
I don't disagree, which is why I think they do another reclamation project with Daniel Jones and try and build a sustainable roster around them. If JJ isn't ready, let Daniel start and then if things aren't going well, make the switch and let JJ take over. People forget how close JJ was to Darnold in training camp last year. The lost reps sucks, but if he can keep making big strides, we will be fine with him
 
He was pretty damn close to winning the job in training camp. He has had all year to understand the system, lingo, etc. He has had mental reps. Is training camp enough to give him the physical reps next year? I am not sure, but Bo Nix has had a hell of year this year. Why can't McCarthy be on that level (with a hole hell of a lot more talent around him than Bo Nix has).
Are Jefferson, Addison, hock, Jones out of the backfield, and others going to be happy splitting 200 yards a game passing line Nix had? Also, is JJ the rushing threat that Nix is, especially after injury?
 
Are Jefferson, Addison, hock, Jones out of the backfield, and others going to be happy splitting 200 yards a game passing line Nix had? Also, is JJ the rushing threat that Nix is, especially after injury?
Get that number closer to 250 a game, and you've matched Darnold this season. KOC offense will certainly provide plenty of pass attempts and opportunities, Darnold has thrown the ball ~550 times this season.

No idea on JJM mobility post-injury. He was plenty mobile before it, far from a pocket statue.
 
They had 0 success running the ball inside the 5 all season. Even with a guy like Montgomery in the backfield our interior Oline is not good enough. Spend some of the savings from not signing Darnold to go get some mid tier guards and center. All 3 graded out poorly all season.

We saw this in pass pro too. Detroit attacked our guards with edges all game long. Tackles are doing great, but we need some help on the interior.
Do you think Darnold would take an extension but at a price way under the top guys? Say he tells MN that he will come back, just don't pay him the league minimum, and use the extra money for other players. That would provide Darnold and the franchise stability without breaking the bank. I know guys should try and get as much as they can, but sometimes the best you can get is what you currently have. I guess I am talkin' out my a$$ a bit.
 
Do you think Darnold would take an extension but at a price way under the top guys? Say he tells MN that he will come back, just don't pay him the league minimum, and use the extra money for other players. That would provide Darnold and the franchise stability without breaking the bank. I know guys should try and get as much as they can, but sometimes the best you can get is what you currently have. I guess I am talkin' out my a$$ a bit.
The Tom Brady deal. He could, but this is probably the only time in his career to get paid like a top 10 qb. Hard to pass up generation changing money. Tom Brady had Gisele making more than he did, so it didn't matter.
 
How big is the market realistically for Darnold outside of MN?

I’d say over half the league has a solid QB or a young one they’re going to give another year or two before making decision.

I’d say Jets, Giants, Saints, Browns, Titans, Raiders, Colts would view Darnold as an upgrade but even then may look at his success in MN as a result of the system and the talent around him. And some of them are in a bad spot with contracts so probably going to look to the draft as their answer.
 
One year price tag. The window is now. Cousins was not even at Darnold’s level. What makes you think Jones is the answer? You don’t put JJ at risk till fully recovered. Heal and learn. Smart move is pay Darnold the Franchise him.
What made anyone think Darnold was the answer prior to this season? Someone is going to drastically overpay for Darnold, I don't want it to be the Vikings.

I'd be shocked if Darnold plays at a pro bowl level somewhere else.

I'd love to have him back in the Baker Mayfield contract range. $30-$35mill. I don't want to pay him $40mill+. That is franchise killing if he's not an absolute stud (Prescott, Love, Lawrence, Tagovailoa, Murray, Watson). I don't think any of those guys can carry a team, but they're all being paid like they can. Most of their teams suck as a result. But hey, at least they have an average to slightly above average QB.
 
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How big is the market realistically for Darnold outside of MN?

I’d say over half the league has a solid QB or a young one they’re going to give another year or two before making decision.

I’d say Jets, Giants, Saints, Browns, Titans, Raiders, Colts would view Darnold as an upgrade but even then may look at his success in MN as a result of the system and the talent around him. And some of them are in a bad spot with contracts so probably going to look to the draft as their answer.
If that's the case, then MIN can put another cheap, short-term deal on him due to lack of demand. That's fine. It just has to make money sense in the big picture.

What made anyone think Darnold was the answer prior to this season? Someone is going to drastically overpay for Darnold, I don't want it to be the Vikings.

I'd be shocked if Darnold plays at a pro bowl level somewhere else.
I can see tagging him for one more season since JJM missed this one, and that's also not a long-term cap killer. Also fine.
 
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If that's the case, then MIN can put another cheap, short-term deal on him due to lack of demand. That's fine. It just has to make money sense in the big picture.


I can see tagging him for one more season since JJM missed this one, and that's also not a long-term cap killer. Also fine.
I'd be fine with the tag. Gives you another year to evaluate McCarthy since this year is basically a waste. Also get to see if Darnold was just a one hit wonder, or if he can be this good long term.
 
How big is the market realistically for Darnold outside of MN?

I’d say over half the league has a solid QB or a young one they’re going to give another year or two before making decision.

I’d say Jets, Giants, Saints, Browns, Titans, Raiders, Colts would view Darnold as an upgrade but even then may look at his success in MN as a result of the system and the talent around him. And some of them are in a bad spot with contracts so probably going to look to the draft as their answer.
I would add the Rams to this list, and it may be the best fit for him. It's a very similar system, he would have some quality (one great) WR talent. The question mark really is how long will the rams roll with Stafford. He's getting to the age where a team can expect diminishing productivity each year

But if I'm Darnold, and I don't return to the Vikings, I would seriously consider the rams as the next stop if they make him an offer
 
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I'd be fine with the tag. Gives you another year to evaluate McCarthy since this year is basically a waste. Also get to see if Darnold was just a one hit wonder, or if he can be this good long term.
If you are Darnold, do you agree to being franchise tagged or hold out? Dude is 26 and in his prime to seal up a 3-4 year deal. What happens if McCarthy beats him out in camp? Go make your money.
 
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If you are Darnold, do you agree to being franchise tagged or hold out? Dude is 26 and in his prime to seal up a 3-4 year deal. What happens if McCarthy beats him out in camp? Go make your money.
I'd probably hold out. Someone will pay him. At least 1/3 of the league is desperate to overpay for a QB every off season.
 
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One year price tag. The window is now. Cousins was not even at Darnold’s level. What makes you think Jones is the answer? You don’t put JJ at risk till fully recovered. Heal and learn. Smart move is pay Darnold the Franchise him.
Cousins had 5 healthy seasons in Minnesota. His yardage, TDs, Ints, and rating are all almost identical to Darnold's this year. In fact, it's amazing how close they are.

Most of those were 16 game seasons and under Zimmer. Plus the first two without Jefferson.

The Vikings are winning this year because the defense that has been hot garbage for the past few seasons has become pretty solid. That's due to a lot of good, albeit short term signings, along with Flores. Counting on Flores being around and finding similar number of nice bargains on defense is going to be tough.

I like Darnold. He's still pretty young, hasn't played a ton, certainly not in competent situations. But his performance this year was pretty much Kirk Cousins production to a T. Reality was that the last 2.5 seasons Cousins was one of the league's leaders in go-ahead drives, passing under 2 mins, etc. The problem was their defense was expensive and complete garbage during the end of the Zimmer era and prior to last year.

But ultimately Cousins wasn't good enough to consume that much cap space and build a Super Bowl competing team. Darnold probably isn't either. I hope I'm wrong.
 
If you are Darnold, do you agree to being franchise tagged or hold out? Dude is 26 and in his prime to seal up a 3-4 year deal. What happens if McCarthy beats him out in camp? Go make your money.
He can certainly do that, and that's what the market bears. And he also will be almost certainly be leaving arguably the best situation for a QB in the NFL.

The problem is we've only seen two extremes from Darnold. He was in absolute disfunctional situations and he played horribly, or he was a backup. Now he's in an ideal situation in terms of coaches and personnel, and he's probably a top 5-6 QB this year. We really have zero idea how he'll do in anything besides great or horrible situations.