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***2026 Minnesota Vikings***

Mr Janny said:
Kwesi is very analytics driven. He's not making trades just to make them. As fans, we might not see the strategy, but I guarantee that there's one at play. It may turn out to be a bad strategy, but nobody knows that yet, and our thoughts, as fans, on what they should do and who they should pick, are barely informed at best.
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Agree, the fans don't know a whole lot, so we can only go by the collective of 'experts' who evaluate things for a living. Of course they can be wrong as well, but his is what I'm seeing;
Only two picks lived up to their draft grade-- Booth and Asamoah.
Cine and Evans taken one round early.
Ingram and Chandler taken two rounds early.
Otomewo, Lowe, Nailor and Muse all projected as UDFAs.
Very average draft, at best.
Maybe they all play better than their grades. Look forward to seeing how these same 'experts' evaluate the Vikes draft.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
Agree, the fans don't know a whole lot, so we can only go by the collective of 'experts' who evaluate things for a living. Of course they can be wrong as well, but his is what I'm seeing;
Only two picks lived up to their draft grade-- Booth and Asamoah.
Cine and Evans taken one round early.
Ingram and Chandler taken two rounds early.
Otomewo, Lowe, Nailor and Muse all projected as UDFAs.
Very average draft, at best.
Maybe they all play better than their grades. Look forward to seeing how these same 'experts' evaluate the Vikes draft.
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Most people had Lowe and Chandler as mid round picks. I Lowe going 3rd and Chandler in the 4th. Had Muse in round 7, and then Otomewo and Nailor going undrafted. Can't remember where I had Evans going. 5th I think.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
Agree, the fans don't know a whole lot, so we can only go by the collective of 'experts' who evaluate things for a living. Of course they can be wrong as well, but his is what I'm seeing;
Only two picks lived up to their draft grade-- Booth and Asamoah.
Cine and Evans taken one round early.
Ingram and Chandler taken two rounds early.
Otomewo, Lowe, Nailor and Muse all projected as UDFAs.
Very average draft, at best.
Maybe they all play better than their grades. Look forward to seeing how these same 'experts' evaluate the Vikes draft.
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PFF had cine as a first rounder. Vikings had him in the teens.
 
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demoncore1031 said:
I actually had him going to Minnesota at pick 46. Was really wanting him to be a Viking. Last week, before doing my final mock draft, I had him going to Tennessee with pick 26. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by this kid in a couple years.
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He will get a ton of playing time this year. Maybe start.
 
Here's a perfect example of why making judgements at the time of the draft is nearly meaningless.

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2012 NFL Draft Grades for Each Team

It's never too early to grade the 2012 NFL Draft, which saw Commissioner Roger Goodell hugging and high-fiving future Pro Bowlers and potential busts. Here's
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Check out Dallas with their A grade and Seattle with their D.

Steals and reaches don't mean much outside of this 3 day period. After today, it's all about can you play or can't you.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Here's a perfect example of why making judgements at the time of the draft is nearly meaningless.

athlonsports.com

2012 NFL Draft Grades for Each Team

It's never too early to grade the 2012 NFL Draft, which saw Commissioner Roger Goodell hugging and high-fiving future Pro Bowlers and potential busts. Here's
athlonsports.com athlonsports.com

Check out Dallas with their A grade and Seattle with their D.

Steals and reaches don't mean much outside of this 3 day period. After today, it's all about can you play or can't you.
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True, but I'd rather start with the Jets' picks.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
Agree, the fans don't know a whole lot, so we can only go by the collective of 'experts' who evaluate things for a living. Of course they can be wrong as well, but his is what I'm seeing;
Only two picks lived up to their draft grade-- Booth and Asamoah.
Cine and Evans taken one round early.
Ingram and Chandler taken two rounds early.
Otomewo, Lowe, Nailor and Muse all projected as UDFAs.
Very average draft, at best.
Maybe they all play better than their grades. Look forward to seeing how these same 'experts' evaluate the Vikes draft.
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That’s somewhat concerning.
 
Mr Janny said:
Kwesi is very analytics driven. He's not making trades just to make them. As fans, we might not see the strategy, but I guarantee that there's one at play. It may turn out to be a bad strategy, but nobody knows that yet, and our thoughts, as fans, on what they should do and who they should pick, are barely informed at best.
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I get the feeling that Kwesi is doing his version of Moneyball. He's got players on his board ranked the way he thinks they will fit what they're trying to do and that means they won't necessarily fall in line with "normal" ranking systems. He's going to get his guys where he thinks he has to doesn't matter where the "experts" have them.

Although when you listen to him talk he always makes a point to say it's not just "him" or "me", it's "we"...so I think it's very much a collaborative effort even with the draft.
 
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clonehenge said:
I get the feeling that Kwesi is doing his version of Moneyball. He's got players on his board ranked the way he thinks they will fit what they're trying to do and that means they won't necessarily fall in line with "normal" ranking systems. He's going to get his guys where he thinks he has to doesn't matter where the "experts" have them.

Although when you listen to him talk he always makes a point to say it's not just "him" or "me", it's "we"...so I think it's very much a collaborative effort even with the draft.
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I would be concern if the team just used consensus rankings to draft.
 
clone52 said:
I would be concern if the team just used consensus rankings to draft.
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I meant how teams evaluate and rank their prospects. I think a lot of teams use a similar system and I don't think Kwesi's/the Vike's is anything like that.

And fans are freaking out that they're drafting players too early based on "expert" rankings when they have no idea how the Vikes have them ranked...which of course happens every year no matter who the GM is...but it just seems more than usual because this was Kwesi's first draft.
 
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Nobody knows for sure how the Vikings picks will pan out.
One thing we know for sure is the new GM is an idiot for handing Detroit and GB better players and not asking for enough in return.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Here's a perfect example of why making judgements at the time of the draft is nearly meaningless.

athlonsports.com

2012 NFL Draft Grades for Each Team

It's never too early to grade the 2012 NFL Draft, which saw Commissioner Roger Goodell hugging and high-fiving future Pro Bowlers and potential busts. Here's
athlonsports.com athlonsports.com

Check out Dallas with their A grade and Seattle with their D.

Steals and reaches don't mean much outside of this 3 day period. After today, it's all about can you play or can't you.
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That is hilarious, and why I don’t pay too much attention to the draft. The other thing that jumps out is how few guys are actually impact players. I always laugh at this draft geeks and analysts getting all jacked up about every 4th rounder and how they are going to fit into what the team needs. Yeah just be happy if they are still on the roster in 3 years.

I would say those 2012 grades were random, but it was far worse than that.
 
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Golfer had the "I'm smarter than you sanctimonious vibe", so if you're getting that again....
 
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