Ozempic, GLP-1 and other modern diabetes / weight loss medications

[CascadeClone]

Something important to keep in mind is that consistency wins over time, both good and bad. It isn't hard to unintentionally gain 1 pound per month over a period of years. Someone like that might feel lazy and worthless when they're pretty close to the margins.
It's really hard for people to put that into action the other direction. Almost no one is happy losing a pound per month but that's what healthy weight loss/discipline looks like. The margins are small and time wins.

Totally agree. The problem is you only need to screw up once in a while ot blow up all the good work.

Its like my golf game. I go along steady and focused and par/bogey 8 holes. But the 9th hole I drive OB, chunk my approach and then lip out a putt for a snowman. Well, that snowman ruined the whole round. Just like the guy who brough donuts to work last friday screwed up my whole week of eating right.

And before you say I shouldn't have ate the donut, keep in mind that I have about the same amount of control over plowing my drive OB lol.

 

[jcf817]

Just because I don't share the same opinion as you does not mean I am not educated. That is a terrible argument to make. It's actually a lazy argument instead of debating your point like the others have done. I am 100 percent educated in this. I used to work as a personal trainer. I also investigate every thing I put in my body. I also have seen who shows up and works out at the gym and who is there for a month before they quit as I worked at the gym. I also can go to Mcdonalds (Which I don't eat at) and see who is the prime customer at those places. So it's not hard to see that people who are obese are not eating the same nutritional value items as people who are in shape and trying to keep weight down naturally. It's even easy to walk around Hy Vee or Fareway and see what people who are like me and eating healthy are eating compared to bigger and fatter folks. Also when I am out hiking on trails it's easy to see who is out there getting after it. So don't tell me to Educate myself. That is insane and quite frankly a lazy start to debate.

There's nothing to debate. You've never dealt with food noise and haven't bothered to find out what it is. I feel bad for your clients who struggle with it and you can't help them. You're the lazy one here.

 

[Drew0311]

There's nothing to debate. You've never dealt with food noise and haven't bothered to find out what it is. I feel bad for you clients who struggle with it and you can't help them. You're the lazy one here.

haha. Go back and read the post I just wrote a half hour ago where I basically said I deal with it all the time and don't act on it. Keep trying. You are being ignorant right now. You are not actually reading what I am saying. You are just posting to try and be in an argument. I guess that is whatever but start reading what I actually write.

 

[jcf817]

haha. Go back and read the post I just wrote a half hour ago where I basically said I deal with it all the time and don't act on it. Keep trying. You are being ignorant right now. You are not actually reading what I am saying. You are just posting to try and be in an argument. I guess that is whatever but start reading what I actually write.

No. I'm countering your grossly ignorant attitude.

 

[Drew0311]

No. I'm countering your grossly ignorant attitude.

It's not my attitude. It's facts and opinions. Sorry it hurt your feelings but my attitude after dealing with this stuff for years and talking to people and researching it is right. Sorry it hurts your feelings

 

[jcf817]

It's not my attitude. It's facts and opinions. Sorry it hurt your feelings but my attitude after dealing with this stuff for years and talking to people and researching it is right. Sorry it hurts your feelings

And I've dealt with people like you my whole life. I have lots of anecdata, too. But I also know the rest of the story. You don't.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

It's not my attitude. It's facts and opinions. Sorry it hurt your feelings but my attitude after dealing with this stuff for years and talking to people and researching it is right. Sorry it hurts your feelings

It quite simply is not right. Your "i made it work so everyone else is lazy" is just about the worst kind of nonsense, and @jcf817 is right, it is incredibly lazy as well. Your anecdotal experiences don't cover the wide range of experiences people deal with.

 

[Drew0311]

And I've dealt with people like you my whole life. I have lots of anecdata, too. But I also know the rest of the story. You don't.

At least people like me debate it, instead of just announcing every one is wrong. Instead of bringing facts or Anecdotes to show the side you are talking about. You just hit the dumb button and announce I am wrong. Well why am I wrong. Explain

 

[jcf817]

At least people like me debate it, instead of just announcing every one is wrong. Instead of bringing facts or Anecdotes to show the side you are talking about. You just hit the dumb button and announce I am wrong. Well why am I wrong. Explain

I already did. And you accused me of not reading what you wrote. LOL

 

[Drew0311]

I already did. And you accused me of not reading what you wrote. LOL

I went back and read everything you wrote and not once have you pointed to the fact that people can't control their weight, can't control what they eat. You basically made an excuse that they want snacks and can't control themselves. If that is your hill, then die on it. Thats fine.

 

[jmb]

At least people like me debate it, instead of just announcing every one is wrong. Instead of bringing facts or Anecdotes to show the side you are talking about. You just hit the dumb button and announce I am wrong. Well why am I wrong. Explain

Your debate logic sucks...I don't want to get in the way of your **** logic so carry on.

 

[Clonehomer]

I went back and read everything you wrote and not once have you pointed to the fact that people can't control their weight, can't control what they eat. You basically made an excuse that they want snacks and can't control themselves. If that is your hill, then die on it. Thats fine.

But do you acknowledge that two people and eat the very same thing and exercise the same amount of time and still have different body types?

 

[Drew0311]

But do you acknowledge that two people and eat the very same thing and exercise the same amount of time and still have different body types?

Yes and I said that earlier. I am a naturally fat guy. I eat the same thing as my brother and I gain 5 pounds and he stays the same. I have to work a lot harder than him and he is still skinnier than I am. However, what I don't have is Snacks in the house that are unhealthy, I don't drink soda, even though I would die for a Dr Pepper about 3 times a day. I drink Fresca since it's still soda but zero calories and none of the bad stuff. I have low fat yogurt in the house in case I am hungry and want something lower calorie. I would love to have cake and brownies and all of that. However, i know I can't. It's being discipline. I can't just eat everything I want to.

 

[3TrueFans]

Yes and I said that earlier. I am a naturally fat guy. I eat the same thing as my brother and I gain 5 pounds and he stays the same. I have to work a lot harder than him and he is still skinnier than I am. However, what I don't have is Snacks in the house that are unhealthy, I don't drink soda, even though I would die for a Dr Pepper about 3 times a day. I drink Fresca since it's still soda but zero calories and none of the bad stuff. I have low fat yogurt in the house in case I am hungry and want something lower calorie. I would love to have cake and brownies and all of that. However, i know I can't. It's being discipline. I can't just eat everything I want to.

Also the testosterone.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yes and I said that earlier. I am a naturally fat guy. I eat the same thing as my brother and I gain 5 pounds and he stays the same. I have to work a lot harder than him and he is still skinnier than I am. However, what I don't have is Snacks in the house that are unhealthy, I don't drink soda, even though I would die for a Dr Pepper about 3 times a day. I drink Fresca since it's still soda but zero calories and none of the bad stuff. I have low fat yogurt in the house in case I am hungry and want something lower calorie. I would love to have cake and brownies and all of that. However, i know I can't. It's being discipline. I can't just eat everything I want to.

So the main problem with discipline is that for many life happens and that discipline falls short, especially for things like food when you are actively fighting your body.

Btw I get what you are saying and agree that this path can work for some but at some point something is gonna throw that off as you yourself know as the weight has fluctuated a lot. You have just shown a lot of persistence to help get that under control which and, props to you for doing that.

Also and I say this kindly but the TRT is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here

 

[SerenityNow]

@SerenityNow You rated this as dumb but gave no reason why. Are you suggesting that all of these people are going to suddenly start working out once they have lost some weight? Is that what your theory is? I know enough people on it to know that is not even remotely true.

Many other posters have responded to this already, but what I found dumb was your blanket statement that most people that take GLP-1 are lazy. Your subsequent posts have moderated and fleshed that out some, but anecdotal evidence is a poor foundation to base an argument.

For example, I began using GLP-1s after a 'come to Jesus' meeting with my doctor with some borderline scary test numbers. I did not exercise before being on the drug, other than golf and dog walking. I recognized when I started that it was not a panacea; I began exercising and weight training and continue to this day. I've lost and kept off the 80 pounds and am more toned than I have even been and am in my 50s.

But it never crossed my mind that my anecdotal evidence means if everyone would just do what I did they would have the same results.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Yes and I said that earlier. I am a naturally fat guy. I eat the same thing as my brother and I gain 5 pounds and he stays the same. I have to work a lot harder than him and he is still skinnier than I am. However, what I don't have is Snacks in the house that are unhealthy, I don't drink soda, even though I would die for a Dr Pepper about 3 times a day. I drink Fresca since it's still soda but zero calories and none of the bad stuff. I have low fat yogurt in the house in case I am hungry and want something lower calorie. I would love to have cake and brownies and all of that. However, i know I can't. It's being discipline. I can't just eat everything I want to.

Some are overly consumed with their anecdotal exceptions.

Poor habits and decisions are absolutely fundamental to America’s obesity problem. Not deeming this laziness is part of the accountability problem imo.

But yet, that’s not mutually exclusive to having empathy (for most) though. Evolutionarily speaking, we are not as well equipped in dealing with abundance. Never before has it been so easy for nearly all of society to get calories, and never before have we had to do (move) so little to live. Being “fat and lazy” used to exclusive option for the very elite, if any had such luxury.

Largely an externality of societal advancement outpacing human adaptation to new environment. So it makes sense we’d also need to use advanced medicine to help combat it

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Yes and I said that earlier. I am a naturally fat guy. I eat the same thing as my brother and I gain 5 pounds and he stays the same. I have to work a lot harder than him and he is still skinnier than I am. However, what I don't have is Snacks in the house that are unhealthy, I don't drink soda, even though I would die for a Dr Pepper about 3 times a day. I drink Fresca since it's still soda but zero calories and none of the bad stuff. I have low fat yogurt in the house in case I am hungry and want something lower calorie. I would love to have cake and brownies and all of that. However, i know I can't. It's being discipline. I can't just eat everything I want to.

I think the problem comes down to rigidly deciding its just about discipline when for many, maybe even most, it is not. Not when a body's hormones are screaming for more intake.

Chemically food intake can end up looking not all that different from addiction in the way the brain responds to that stimulus. You wouldn't call an alcoholic "undisciplined" if they couldn't get their addiction under control, nor would you call them "lazy" for taking a medication that helped them manage that. Or at least I'd hope you wouldn't. And food might be even more difficult in that its an addiction you can't just quit. Imagine if every alcoholic had to still live a life where they were required to drink a little bit but keep it under control. Most couldn't manage it. Its not a coincidence that these GLP-1s are also showing promise in helping to reduce other addictive behaviors.

 

[Drew0311]

I think the problem comes down to rigidly deciding its just about discipline when for many, maybe even most, it is not. Not when a body's hormones are screaming for more intake.

Chemically food intake can end up looking not all that different from addiction in the way the brain responds to that stimulus. You wouldn't call an alcoholic "undisciplined" if they couldn't get their addiction under control, nor would you call them "lazy" for taking a medication that helped them manage that. Or at least I'd hope you wouldn't. And food might be even more difficult in that its an addiction you can't just quit. Imagine if every alcoholic had to still live a life where they were required to drink a little bit but keep it under control. Most couldn't manage it. Its not a coincidence that these GLP-1s are also showing promise in helping to reduce other addictive behaviors.

Can I ask why so many other countries don't have this impulse? Why are we by far and away the fattest country on earth. Canada is not even close to us as far as I know. England does not seem to have this problem. It seems to be mostly American and everyone from those two countries I mentioned came from the same basic DNA pool. There is something in America that has gave us all excuses. I do agree that people have made themselves addicted to food. However, what are we really doing about that? We are making drugs to combat it. Which if long term they end up being healthy, that is good. I think people should be OK long term. It just seems like in America we give ourselves a lot of excuses for our actions instead of looking in the mirror.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

You can't compare America demographically to any other country on earth.

You need to quit digging, man...