Totally fair. A potential solution would be requiring employers to pay employees for jury duty. Almost a civic duty type of tax akin to unemployment tax.
Ashley Okland Murder
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Your overstating it a bit ($5769.23 would be the three week equivalent) but it's not like you have a choice anyway. It's a legal responsibility.
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That was actually the first mugshot I thought of. Well played!
Now that we've fully derailed this for a moment, I have to put in a plug for the show Jury Duty on Amazon Prime. If you can stomach a reality show where a guy is getting messed with, it's brilliant. Season 2 is just in the premiere phase. I'm curious to see if they can capture the same feel again.
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In light of new evidence released today is anyone confused why an arrest and charges weren't filed sooner? Seems like evidence they have been has been collected for awhile and now they're finally going to try for a prosecution. I'm not sure if it's desperation or lack of more urgency earlier.
Crazy they had placed Ramsey at the scene AND searched her house less than a month after the shooting.
I figured she had been totally off the radar as a suspect this entire time.
From the KCCI Article: Witness saw suspect Kristin Ramsey at scene
"The documents state that a witness who lived next to the townhome heard two loud noises and then saw Ramsey outside the front door of the townhome. The witness reportedly looked out a second-story window and saw Ramsey pacing by her vehicle and on her phone.
According to the court filing, Ramsey called another Rottlund Homes employee but did not call 911. Court records show Okland was shot at close range -- once in the chest and once in the face. Prosecutors say Ramsey has been interviewed multiple times over the course of this investigation and has provided conflicting versions of her whereabouts that day.
The witness then saw Ramsey "back up at a high rate of speed in an erratic manner and leave the area," according to court documents. Concerned something was wrong, the witness entered the model townhome and discovered Okland on the ground with two gunshot wounds."
"The documents state that a witness who lived next to the townhome heard two loud noises and then saw Ramsey outside the front door of the townhome. The witness reportedly looked out a second-story window and saw Ramsey pacing by her vehicle and on her phone.
According to the court filing, Ramsey called another Rottlund Homes employee but did not call 911. Court records show Okland was shot at close range -- once in the chest and once in the face. Prosecutors say Ramsey has been interviewed multiple times over the course of this investigation and has provided conflicting versions of her whereabouts that day.
The witness then saw Ramsey "back up at a high rate of speed in an erratic manner and leave the area," according to court documents. Concerned something was wrong, the witness entered the model townhome and discovered Okland on the ground with two gunshot wounds."
Article didn't seem to have a whole lot other than a witness. Did they announce there was physical evidence?
Found firearms too. We gotta be missing something.
I wonder how much weaker some of the evidence will be day of trial compared to 15 years ago
I'm wondering if this is really common with cold cases like this.
They have alot of signs pointing to a suspect, but just don't have the knockout punch.
Considering they have Ramsey's phone records of who she called at the scene, would they have the "ping" data placing her there also? I'd think a phone in 2011 would have that, but I don't know how far back you can go.
Min guessing they decided it was now or never and if they at least charge her they can roll the dice. Not to mention at least they know the public will know who did it.
I wonder that too.
A good attorney is certainly capable of getting a likely-guilty person off if the evidence is flimsy, or wasn’t collected properly.
Her problem is we don’t have a lot of high profile murder attorneys in the Des Moines area any longer
A lot of Iowan's would have firearms. Sounds like there was a search warrant in 2011 and I assume if any of the firearms matched a type used in the shooting, this would have happened far sooner.
So fast forward to today. What changed? Maybe they have new evidence but what was shown today is all evidence they've had. Generally a witness account is only going to weaken with time.
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I’m the only person at my work who does my job. If I had to take weeks off, weeks worth of work would be waiting for me when I got back.
I’d be a terrible juror. I don’t like standing in judgment over people and I’d be very reticent to convict anybody regardless of the quality of evidence.
I’d be extremely bored and would easily lose focus. I don’t care about the legal world and never have.
I said this earlier, and again 3rd hand info, but people who know Ramsey say that Ramsey would talk about finding Okland's body. Would think if she is telling people this, that she also told the police she found the body, but for some reason didn't call 911.
All that being said, I'm really curious as to why it took 15 years to make an arrest. At the same time, also interested in the motive, which maybe took some time to piece together?
All that being said, I'm really curious as to why it took 15 years to make an arrest. At the same time, also interested in the motive, which maybe took some time to piece together?
