Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[1UNI2ISU]

I'm not sure there's actually another school out there that adds value to the Big Ten, that's a pretty high bar to clear at this point. Maybe Florida State and Miami as a package just because it gives you a huge chunk of the Florida market.

I do think the SEC can tinker around the edges a bit. Carolina and Virginia make a lot of sense for them.

 

[RonBurgundy]

I'm not sure there's actually another school out there that adds value to the Big Ten, that's a pretty high bar to clear at this point. Maybe Florida State and Miami as a package just because it gives you a huge chunk of the Florida market.

I do think the SEC can tinker around the edges a bit. Carolina and Virginia make a lot of sense for them.

I think just the opposite. SEC would take Clemson and FSU in a heart beat. The B1G would be very interested in UNC and Virginia. Fits their academic profile.

The main point is the algorithm is different for the B1G compared to the Big 12. The B1G does not have to think in terms of “who adds incremental $”. They have enough $$ to do what they want.

 

[ClubCy]

I think just the opposite. SEC would take Clemson and FSU in a heart beat. The B1G would be very interested in UNC and Virginia. Fits their academic profile.

The main point is the algorithm is different for the B1G compared to the Big 12. The B1G does not have to think in terms of “who adds incremental $”. They have enough $$ to do what they want.

Then why hasn’t the SEC taken FSU and Clemson? They’ve had plenty of opportunities in the last 15 years.

While I have no doubt that eventually the conferences will be ~20 teams they have to add value. Everything those conferences have done is for more money. Nothing more. Nothing less. No one is taking a pay cut unless it’s a need for survival.

 

[Clonehomer]

Then why hasn’t the SEC taken FSU and Clemson? They’ve had plenty of opportunities in the last 15 years.

While I have no doubt that eventually the conferences will be ~20 teams they have to add value. Everything those conferences have done is for more money. Nothing more. Nothing less. No one is taking a pay cut unless it’s a need for survival.

I honestly see contraction more likely than expansion for that very reason. The greed is heading to a point that the TV networks will tell the big schools they can make more by dropping the smaller ones. You don’t think they’d go for that?

 

[ZorkClone]

UNC's preference remains:

1) Restore "original" 10-school ACC in conjunction with Cody Campbell's media rights pooling and 7x10 rational realignment plans.
2) Create new 16-team conference with best of ACC and best of B12 (CBS and/or Amazon likely new TV partner)
3) SEC
4) B10
5) Keep ACC intact

This from a UNC alum with ties to the Dean Smith regime.

Interesting! I wonder if option 2 would include ISU or not?

 

[StPaulCyclone]

I honestly see contraction more likely than expansion for that very reason. The greed is heading to a point that the TV networks will tell the big schools they can make more by dropping the smaller ones. You don’t think they’d go for that?

TX was be leading the charge!

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I honestly see contraction more likely than expansion for that very reason. The greed is heading to a point that the TV networks will tell the big schools they can make more by dropping the smaller ones. You don’t think they’d go for that?

Nope, because even in this scenario they wouldn’t have the votes, the big schools want the record padded and football is often cyclical.

If you’re talking more then 10 years out maybe as who knows what things will look like then but that isn’t happening in the near future

 

[ricochet]

I'm not sure there's actually another school out there that adds value to the Big Ten, that's a pretty high bar to clear at this point. Maybe Florida State and Miami as a package just because it gives you a huge chunk of the Florida market.

I do think the SEC can tinker around the edges a bit. Carolina and Virginia make a lot of sense for them.

Notre Dame would add value but after that they would probably have to declare open warfare and go after an SEC school. Texas maybe?

 

[CascadeClone]

I honestly see contraction more likely than expansion for that very reason. The greed is heading to a point that the TV networks will tell the big schools they can make more by dropping the smaller ones. You don’t think they’d go for that?

Somebody's getting it.

You expand so you can contract easier later - only 2 (maybe 2.5) entities to pull out what you want, instead of 5 so less contractual hassle. Also there's less lifeboats - what if you stay principled but everyone else leaves? Prisoners dilemma.

Just a matter of time.

 

[Clonehomer]

Nope, because even in this scenario they wouldn’t have the votes, the big schools want the record padded and football is often cyclical.

If you’re talking more then 10 years out maybe as who knows what things will look like then but that isn’t happening in the near future

It’d have to happen with conjunction of a new TV deal. You aren’t dropping schools while under rights deals. But I won’t be surprised at all if there are conversations amongst the top schools about whether the Vanderbilts of the world should be in the same conference as A&M and Texas come the next contract.

 

[cyclones500]

Notre Dame would add value but after that they would probably have to declare open warfare and go after an SEC school. Texas maybe?

Before Texas could move to BiG, it first has to (somehow) wreck SEC. That could take a while.

 

[Cyched]

Notre Dame would add value but after that they would probably have to declare open warfare and go after an SEC school. Texas maybe?

Please let that happen

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It’d have to happen with conjunction of a new TV deal. You aren’t dropping schools while under rights deals. But I won’t be surprised at all if there are conversations amongst the top schools about whether the Vanderbilts of the world should be in the same conference as A&M and Texas come the next contract.

A&M doesn’t really belong in that conversation since they are barley a couple wins above vandy most years but I get your point.

I think people outside of blue blood schools really don’t get how much those cupcake games matter. As an example, looking at this year, it’s pretty awesome that before playing OSU Michigan gets Maryland and Northwestern. If those schools got bounced and all of a sudden it’s two better programs like an Oregon or even a Wisconsin, that’s a much more annoying concept.

Plus those teams allow for better non cons in the schedule since you know it’s not going to be a murderers row.

 

[Clonehomer]

A&M doesn’t really belong in that conversation since they are barley a couple wins above vandy most years but I get your point.

I think people outside of blue blood schools really don’t get how much those cupcake games matter. As an example, looking at this year, it’s pretty awesome that before playing OSU Michigan gets Maryland and Northwestern. If those schools got bounced and all of a sudden it’s two better programs like an Oregon or even a Wisconsin, that’s a much more annoying concept.

Plus those teams allow for better non cons in the schedule since you know it’s not going to be a murderers row.

It’s not about the wins. It’s about the money and egos. The SEC has plenty of each.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It’s not about the wins. It’s about the money and egos. The SEC has plenty of each.

It’s 100% about the wins man. Saying otherwise is kinda absurd. Not winning is how programs die

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Before Texas could move to BiG, it first has to (somehow) wreck SEC. That could take a while.

I’ve long held, it would not surprise me if Texas A&M left for the B10 some day

 

[Kinch]

It’s 100% about the wins man. Saying otherwise is kinda absurd. Not winning is how programs die

If that’s the case, Texas would have been dead five years ago.

 

[Kinch]

An Interesting stat I heard today: the three states with the highest rates of delinquency on mortgages are all in the SEC (Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. Although you could also add the ACC).

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If that’s the case, Texas would have been dead five years ago.

Even during the Herman years they had a 10 win season and a sugar bowl win when that mattered. It takes multiple bad coaching hires to really kill a blue blood. They also got the savior that is NIL to help things along.

 

[isucy86]

Interesting. Everybody thought they’d go b1g when the ACC broke up.

Could just be a negotiating tool. Positioning UNC to make sure they get a full revenue share from day 1. All the UNC to Big10 talk I heard centered around Big 10 shills focusing on academics! When in reality we all know this is about money, competing and fit.

IMO the Tarheels gain nothing from a recruiting standpoint by joining the Big10. How many football players (or basketball or volleyball or baseball, etc) do they have from the Big10 footprint? Conversely, how many do that have from the existing SEC footprint?

Also if UNC went to the Big10 and NCST was picked up by the SEC- I think NCST closes the gap over time.