Ideas for Transfer Rules

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Forcing a player to sit out for a year before playing again, while the coach they followed is able to coach immediately, is at best a poor look, and at worst, an invitation for lawsuits.
Maybe. Maybe not. Point is a coach being able to take much or most of his team to a new school WITH HIM is a much worse problem for the school left behind. If the Coach goes, the player can go to any other school without sitting out, but if he chooses to go to the same school as the coach, a one year sit seems reasonable to me. Can you imagine if Coach Campbell moved to USC and took 10 ISU starters with him like the new IU coach did last year? That is a much worse problem IMO.
 

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Maybe. Maybe not. Point is a coach being able to take much or most of his team to a new school WITH HIM is a much worse problem for the school left behind. If the Coach goes, the player can go to any other school without sitting out, but if he chooses to go to the same school as the coach, a one year sit seems reasonable to me. Can you imagine if Coach Campbell moved to USC and took 10 ISU starters with him like the new IU coach did last year? That is a much worse problem IMO.
It's only a problem if you view it through the lens of college athletics. In the rest of the business world, that's just the way things work. You have to divorce yourself from the mindset that college athletics are special. They aren't. That's exactly what the court system has been saying with every decision that goes against the NCAA.
 
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Why 5 years of eligibility?
CloneJD probably has different reason. But IMO allowing 5 years gets rid of silly redshirt rule. It's less of an issue in hoops, but in football why artificially limit a player to 4 games.

The players practicing and if the can play special teams or mop-up duty, why count it as a year.

Plus 5 years should guarantee a kid gets a degree.
 

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CloneJD probably has different reason. But IMO allowing 5 years gets rid of silly redshirt rule. It's less of an issue in hoops, but in football why artificially limit a player to 4 games.

The players practicing and if the can play special teams or mop-up duty, why count it as a year.

Plus 5 years should guarantee a kid gets a degree.
 

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This. The days of players being forced to sit out a year after transferring are gone. It's just asking to have legal action taken against you. Anything can be viewed as punitive to the athletes is going to be challenged. You can bank on it. And the courts have not exactly been keen on agreeing with the NCAA/schools.
Make them sign contracts.
 

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CloneJD probably has different reason. But IMO allowing 5 years gets rid of silly redshirt rule. It's less of an issue in hoops, but in football why artificially limit a player to 4 games.

The players practicing and if the can play special teams or mop-up duty, why count it as a year.

Plus 5 years should guarantee a kid gets a degree.

I think going to 5 years is a slippery slope. What’s going to stop that number from continuing to go up? It might seem ridiculous, but for example, why would a top women’s basketball player ever go to the WNBA with the way the pay for play format in college is currently structured? They can make way more in college.
 

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CloneJD probably has different reason. But IMO allowing 5 years gets rid of silly redshirt rule. It's less of an issue in hoops, but in football why artificially limit a player to 4 games.

The players practicing and if the can play special teams or mop-up duty, why count it as a year.

Plus 5 years should guarantee a kid gets a degree.
Pretty much this. Just cleaner and it’s rumored that’s what they are going to soon. This of course assumes the courts allow any eligibility limit at all. I imagine that will be litigated soon.
 

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Pretty much this. Just cleaner and it’s rumored that’s what they are going to soon. This of course assumes the courts allow any eligibility limit at all. I imagine that will be litigated soon.

This is a huge issue for college sports IMO. I don’t think there will be an eligibility limit sooner rather than later the way things are going, and that’s going to really hurt college sports. It will be basically like the current pro leagues but with far inferior talent.
 

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Make them sign contracts.
A school can certainly "offer" a contract. And if the athlete agrees to the terms, that's great. But other schools are free to offer contracts with different terms if they want. So if Iowa State is offering a Point Guard a contract that requires they stay for 2 years, that's fine, but Duke might offer the same player the same deal but not include a two year requirement. The point is that all schools can't agree to only offer contracts with 2 year commitments. That would be collusion. It would be illegal, and it's a big part of the reason why the landscape looks like it does, today. They'd need a CBA or a federal antitrust exemption to offer uniform contracts like that.
 
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I think going to 5 years is a slippery slope. What’s going to stop that number from continuing to go up? It might seem ridiculous, but for example, why would a top women’s basketball player ever go to the WNBA with the way the pay for play format in college is currently structured? They can make way more in college.
IMO the NCAA has a better chance of withstanding court challenges if the rule is clear. Like 5 years to play 5 or setting an age limit.

From a safety standpoint I don't think we would ever see unlimited eligibility. Having 19 yo competing against 25 yo is probably a terrible idea in football.

Or the NCAA could tie eligibility to academics. Aka Only undergrads and players need XYZ credit hours and XYZ gpa each semester to be eligible next semester.
 

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Enforce pace to graduation. Make transfer required to go a higher rated school for said major then where their transferring from.
 

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Think we're talking on opposite sides of the spectrum. The comment I replied to implied a school can only accept X amount of transfers, not the school being allowed to force a player to stay.
If the number of transfer acceptance becomes restricted you’ll reduce the overall numbers of willy nilly portal jumping. Less chance of leaving a school high and dry if the coach leaves.
 

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If the number of transfer acceptance becomes restricted you’ll reduce the overall numbers of willy nilly portal jumping. Less chance of leaving a school high and dry if the coach leaves.
Which isn't fair to players, their scholarships are already on a year to year basis. I get people being frustrated with guys playing at 3 or 4 schools but that happens in the real world and is the definition of a free market.
 

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Which isn't fair to players, their scholarships are already on a year to year basis. I get people being frustrated with guys playing at 3 or 4 schools but that happens in the real world and is the definition of a free market.
I’d agree if everyone in the portal finds a new home. Plenty of examples of 18 year old non-star kids not knowing what really is best for them.
But the focus has to be on the schools to try and gain some type of unified control on this ‘free market’.
 

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I’d agree if everyone in the portal finds a new home. Plenty of examples of 18 year old non-star kids not knowing what really is best for them.
But the focus has to be on the schools to try and gain some type of unified control on this ‘free market’.
Any D1 guy in the portal can find a home even if it means dropping to D2. Arguing ignorance due to youth doesn't change my view. It's a 1 year contract when they sign the NLI
 

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There should be transfer fee or “finders” fee paid by the school to the players old school, similar to European soccer.
 
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Any D1 guy in the portal can find a home even if it means dropping to D2. Arguing ignorance due to youth doesn't change my view. It's a 1 year contract when they sign the NLI
What percentage of the kids in the portal actually think it’s best for them if they end up in D2?
 

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Have to start making NIL contracts for two year and if you break it you have a payment penalty just like any other contract
Make Nick Saban or someone like that College Sports Czar:

- Two year signing requirement out of high school. There has to be some protection for these programs that invest years in recruiting players. This also protects roster management and players from themselves.
- One time transfer max. (if your coach leaves, you can transfer at any time)
 

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What percentage of the kids in the portal actually think it’s best for them if they end up in D2?
Not the point, its still free education and a chance to show out and move back up to D1. These are young men and women but at the end of the day they're adults. I feel like a grandpa saying that and I'm only 32.

Also factor in a lot of kids are point blank told by their current coaches they should transfer.
 

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IMO the NCAA has a better chance of withstanding court challenges if the rule is clear. Like 5 years to play 5 or setting an age limit.

From a safety standpoint I don't think we would ever see unlimited eligibility. Having 19 yo competing against 25 yo is probably a terrible idea in football.

Or the NCAA could tie eligibility to academics. Aka Only undergrads and players need XYZ credit hours and XYZ gpa each semester to be eligible next semester.

This would be the way IMO