All 3 of these guys could go Day 2 which is cool
2025 Senior Bowl
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Teams will discount him because of his size, forgetting that there are people all over the league doing very well at his size. Way to many teams use size as the overriding factor in drafting and less on production and skill.
there are a lot of smaller receivers at the senior bowl and it seems like the NFL isn't as concerned about that with receivers anymore. The bigger thing is that Noel is pretty strong and well built, which I think is more critical now because the league uses a lot of tighter formations. I heard one analyst say that receivers that are very slightly built aren't as coveted due to the change in formations. That is one of the concerns that some have with Travis Hunter playing receiver.
Zay Flowers was a first round pick at 5'9" in the 2023 draft.
Noel is around 5'10" and is going to be limited to a "slot" role, but he does not play small. He also has what counts: route precision, smarts/awareness against zone, and the rare trait to separate against man coverage. He also has amazing ball skill.
A 'sweet spot' for receivers is probably 5'11-6'1, but pretty much every team is looking for a WR that can SEPARATE against man coverage, because most cannot.
True, but according to the NLF Data this is not considered a strong WR class of the players that are there, they have Higgins rated as the #76 prospect and Noel at #122.
2025 Senior Bowl Roster — NFL Draft Prospects | NFL Mock Draft Database
2025 Senior Bowl roster. 19 prospects with consensus big board rankings and round projections.
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demoncore1031
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What's going on with Verdon? He's on the Senior Bowl roster but I haven't heard a thing about him performing there.
Here is Flowers data breakdown in the link. Notice they had he projected as a mid 2nd to maybe moving up into the first round.
Flowers face some limitations for the NFL in terms of being short and light. He could have problems with longer cornerbacks, and getting off jams and reroutes could be an issue for him as a pro. His size might limit him to mainly being a slot receiver in the NGL.
At worst, Flowers looks likely to be a second-round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. He has a chance of ending up as a first-round pick.
2023 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Zay Flowers – WalterFootball
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NFL has no problem with 5'11 ish guys. They don't want tall, straightline speed guys, and haven't for a decade. It's all about getting in and out of breaks. Height is not valued in the league much at the position, and hasn't been for a long time. It's very much turned into a nice to have, all things being equal. Their not going to take a guy that is slower getting in and out of breaks because he's tall.
Teams learned years ago that the way the rules are and the league is officiated that it's a hell of a lot easier to create space now, and the accuracy of QBs is so good that they all would much rather throw to an open 5'10 guy than a covered 6'6" guy.
Obviously the guys that are both tall and elite at getting in and out of breaks are the most coveted. And there certainly are guys that use size and positioning really well to still be good like Mike Evans.
But when it's an either-or, the league is valuing small guys that can play in the slot and change direction over height.
It doesn't matter what these types of sites think. In the end a 5'9 WR with great (4.42), but not Tyreke-Hill level speed got picked in the first round.Here is Flowers data breakdown in the link. Notice they had he projected as a mid 2nd to maybe moving up into the first round.
Flowers face some limitations for the NFL in terms of being short and light. He could have problems with longer cornerbacks, and getting off jams and reroutes could be an issue for him as a pro. His size might limit him to mainly being a slot receiver in the NGL.
At worst, Flowers looks likely to be a second-round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. He has a chance of ending up as a first-round pick.
2023 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Zay Flowers – WalterFootball
Not to mention, a 35.5" vert. is very good, but for an NFL WR that's 5'9" and 175 lbs, they are pretty much living with the fact that you aren't going to have a good success rate of him catching highly contested balls through height, vert, or strength/positioning.
Let's see what Noel does at the combine, but what pops on film and at Senior bowl, is change of direction and strength/physicality as a runner and blocker. He's not a unicorn or anything, but he fits what the NFL offenses want now.
potentially all 4, sounds like Travis is turning some heads as well
Without a doubt Noel will be drafted, I was just questioning those thinking he is going to go in the first or high 2nd round, the NFL has him listed as the #122 prospect, so that would put him currently in the 3rd to 4th round. He has without a doubt helped himself this past week and his combine scores will also help.
The "NFL" doesn't have him listed as the #122 prospect, you are looking at rankings of draftniks.
Nobody knows where he truly sits on teams' draft boards, that's my point.
I don't think he's going to go in the first round. I don't know where he's going to get drafted TBH. Nobody does. But your contention that he's "knocked down" because of size to me rings hollow.
Here is Flowers data breakdown in the link. Notice they had he projected as a mid 2nd to maybe moving up into the first round.
Flowers face some limitations for the NFL in terms of being short and light. He could have problems with longer cornerbacks, and getting off jams and reroutes could be an issue for him as a pro. His size might limit him to mainly being a slot receiver in the NGL.
At worst, Flowers looks likely to be a second-round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. He has a chance of ending up as a first-round pick.
2023 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Zay Flowers – WalterFootball
You're quoting the comments from a draftnik, not an NFL team.
An NFL team drafted Flowers in the first round. He's 5'9". And frankly Flowers has performed pretty well in the actual NFL as a feature WR.
Is Jaylin Noel the same type of prospect as Zay Flowers? I don't know, I'm not saying that. I am saying that for certain prospects, height is not a disqualifier. And Flowers is a perfect example that speaks against your assertion.
I do believe that Jaylin Noel has plenty of countervailing traits to be a valuable enough prospect that his height trait is not a disabling trait as you stated.
Flowers was in a pretty poor WR draft IIRC. I think this year is fairly strong. I think that’s what hurts Noel/Higgins more than anything.
Give me a link to one person that has him listed in the first round. Flowers was always a mid 2nd to possible first round selection. I would love to see Noel make it into the first round, but thinking just because Flowers did, therefore Noel will also is really most likely not going to happen.
I think it was in the bowl games that the commentator compared him to Steve Smith. Honestly seems like a spot on comp
demoncore1031
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I haven't watched much of this game but did see Noel drop a 1st down pass earlier. Anyone been watching?
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