Arizona State Matchup

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Big thanks to all of you for the great conversation! While I obviously hope you lose tomorrow, I've got tons of respect for your fanbase! Easily my favorite fanbase to have interacted with since joining the Big 12.

Thanks for letting me poke my head in here and crash your party.

Regardless of how this game ends, I look forward to many excellent matchups between our teams in future seasons too!
 

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3rd & 7. ISU holding a narrow 4th qtr lead 24-21. This was likely KState's money call for this situation... *enter the Professor*

1)KSU shows a tight 5-wide empty formation. ISU shows Cover 1 man-under. Sadowsky is up on the line showing a 4-man pressure. KSU motions the RB back into the backfield to confirm the coverage. It is indeed Cover 1 (single high) man-to-man. View attachment 138982 ...except that deep safety is actually LB Jacob Ellis. KState doesn't seem to notice, and even if they did they dont want to burn their 2nd timeout.
-Meanwhile, Beau Freyeler is lined up where Ellis would be, and shifts with the RB motion (this is the man coverage tell.) He's doing everything he can to show Avery Johnson that he just the regular ol' LB in the middle w/ Ebel, and they will both be responsible for either the RB or spying Johnson, one or the other. All of this is an act on this part
-Freyler does a great job of mimicking the depth and body language of a MLB who is almost certainly not going to blitz, and I think it lulls Johnson into a sense that he doesn't need to worry about a blitz from Freyler's spot. At worst, Freyler's spot won't come for him until Johnson starts to run, something he's very used to. So he should be able to stand in and make this designed man-beater throw which shouldn't take more than 2.5 seconds to pop wide open.
(The play clock is already down to 9 seconds while Johnson is reading these cues.)


2) Right before the snap, Ellis and Freyler switch places. Except Ellis isn't going to cover the back, or spy, like Beau made it appear...he's going to blitz right up the middle.
-Avery Johnson's mind has likely told his body he should have time to stand in and make this throw. It makes this blitz in his face immediately more devastating than it would already be. Why? QBs have a tendency to favor one read over the other, sometimes it's the 1st designed read, but it's also sometimes the 2nd or 3rd. They determine their favored read by what their eyes tell them presnap.
-Not only is this human nature, but it actually makes you better at executing the throw. This is the "game slowing down" effect you hear about. Having a good sense of what's coming and what will work against it ahead of time will free up your body from the limiting effects of indecisiveness or 2nd-guessing yourself.
-A great D coordinator has a way of using your experience or comfort level against you: It's one thing to try to try to get the QB to make the wrong read. What makes Heacock a true genius is the setup. He's ACTUALLY using the fact that he knows Avery Johnson will make the CORRECT read against him. The first think you do is find the Mike and sort out your protection and identify coverage.
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#17 is the Mike...he's not blitzing...and it's Cover 1 man under." All correct, actually.
- IN THE PHOTOS BELOW, You can see Ellis circled in red coming down as Freyler quietly fades back to take his place. Johnson's eyes are likely on the snap here and he's not seeing this, but even if he does see it he certainly has no time to process what it means. At the same time, the inside DB's also slide up to press coverage depth and increase the threat of an outside blitz:
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3)KSU is going to run a designed pick play for the outside receiver at the top of screen using a shallow cross. Oakley in in the bottom slot, he's going to set the key pick. The bottom outside receiver is going to run his defender out of the area the ball is going to be thrown to, and he's goin to run this clear-out straight into Beau Freyler. hoping to take Freyler out of the play too. Beau has two guys running deep to worry about, and one of them is blatantly trying to get in his way. Beau won't get to designed receiver in time. There shouldn't be anyone there for the tackle...
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*except Ellis is coming straight up the middle on a perfectly timed and disguised blitz. Ebel actually has the back, not Ellis, and nobody is spying.

(In hindsight, the correct thing to do would have been to keep the RB in to block, hit the 1st read or run. But there was nothing to read that would indicate that should be the move, other than two similar-sized switched spots, which isn't really something you are even taught to notice. The only visible pressure threat was an outside blitz. The center is justifiably worried about Dom Orange whooping him or the guard 1 on 1 again, so he's going to help the guard double Orange.)

Ball is snapped, Ellis runs free right up the middle unblocked even though K State had 5 blockers against a 5 man rush... and Johnson runs 30 yards BACKWARDS in a terrified panic into his own endzone.

BOOM. Checkmate. Safety.
Excellent breakdown. I learned more about our defense from that one.
 
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Big thanks to all of you for the great conversation! While I obviously hope you lose tomorrow, I've got tons of respect for your fanbase! Easily my favorite fanbase to have interacted with since joining the Big 12.

Thanks for letting me poke my head in here and crash your party.

Regardless of how this game ends, I look forward to many excellent matchups between our teams in future seasons too!
Luck, but not too much today. I might have to go back and read this thread.

I'll do it if we win. I hope I can read it!
 
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Reasons to be optimistic:
  • We're only getting more healthy
  • ASU QB is only somewhat of a run threat (similar to Rocco)
  • Probable that their stud WR is out for the game (probably won't know until game day)
  • We've played in this building, they haven't
  • They lost to Cincy (w/ backup QB I think) who plays our D scheme
Scary things:
  • Scat-uh-BOO!
  • Their QB is excellent at making good decisions
  • ?
I honestly don't know much at all about their defense. That's what I want to know about the most.
Rocco had some clutch runs.
 

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Their defense is pretty good against the run.

Many moons ago I worked with their DC Ward. Somewhat similar to Heacock in that it's all about fundamentals, pretty good at stopping the run, not huge pressure but will tune it up from time to time and I actually expect him to be semi-aggressive today - and plays a 4-2-5 that similar to ours, tries to take away the big play. Like the rest of them, they might be a bit ahead of schedule but they are a really solid unit and he's a very solid DC that I could see one day potentially as a HC somewhere.
 

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Big thanks to all of you for the great conversation! While I obviously hope you lose tomorrow, I've got tons of respect for your fanbase! Easily my favorite fanbase to have interacted with since joining the Big 12.

Thanks for letting me poke my head in here and crash your party.

Regardless of how this game ends, I look forward to many excellent matchups between our teams in future seasons too!
ASU quickly moving to the top of favorite team/fan base outside ISU
 

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Line is now basically a pick em.
YUP and since only 26% of total bets and 36% of the total money is on ISU, Vegas should have been raising the spread for give more points to ISU since the +2.5 it got to... yet they are moving it in the opposite direction.

What does this mean?

Vegas clearly thinks it's likely that ISU wins the game straight up and they can take all this ASU money. They aren't hedging against the risk they might be wrong and ASU wins. They are incentivizing even more ASU BETS.
 
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YUP and since only 26% of total bets and 36% of the total money is on ISU, Vegas should have been raising the spread for give more points to ISU since the +2.5 it got to... yet they are moving it in the opposite direction.

What does this mean?

Vegas clearly thinks it's likely that ISU wins the game straight up and they can take all this ASU money. They aren't hedging against the risk they might be wrong and ASU wins. They are incentivizing even more ASU BETS.
Where did you get your info? CW said the majority of the money is on ISU on one of the pods.
 

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Where did you get your info? CW said the majority of the money is on ISU on one of the pods.
CW is correct that there has been a strong sharp lean toward iowa state since like Monday.

This means the % of money noticeably/strongly outpaces the % of bets. (Sorry to sound patronizing if you already know that)

He could have meant that.
 
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CW is correct that there has been a strong sharp lean toward iowa state since like Monday.

This means the % of money noticeably outpaces the % of bets. (Sorry to sound patronizing if you already know that)
That's fine. I probably just misunderstood what he said.
 

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YUP and since only 26% of total bets and 36% of the total money is on ISU, Vegas should have been raising the spread for give more points to ISU since the +2.5 it got to... yet they are moving it in the opposite direction.

What does this mean?

Vegas clearly thinks it's likely that ISU wins the game straight up and they can take all this ASU money. They aren't hedging against the risk they might be wrong and ASU wins. They are incentivizing even more ASU BETS.
And now 2pt swing. ISU favored by 1.
 

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Big thanks to all of you for the great conversation! While I obviously hope you lose tomorrow, I've got tons of respect for your fanbase! Easily my favorite fanbase to have interacted with since joining the Big 12.

Thanks for letting me poke my head in here and crash your party.

Regardless of how this game ends, I look forward to many excellent matchups between our teams in future seasons too!
You guys were really damn impressive good luck in the playoffs. Hopefully you get the 4th seed and get to play in Fiesta
 

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You guys were really damn impressive good luck in the playoffs. Hopefully you get the 4th seed and get to play in Fiesta
Thanks, my friend. Nothing but respect to you guys. That first half I was just waiting for the Higgins / Noel floodgates to open on us, but shockingly we started pressuring Becht. We haven't done that all season, I truly don't even know where it came from. Then to have Guillory step up as huge as he did... I had hoped, but couldn't have imagined how well our receivers would step up sans Tyson.

You are a hell of a fanbase and a hell of a team, I'll be rooting for you guys whenever it doesn't negatively impact ASU.
 

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Thanks, my friend. Nothing but respect to you guys. That first half I was just waiting for the Higgins / Noel floodgates to open on us, but shockingly we started pressuring Becht. We haven't done that all season, I truly don't even know where it came from. Then to have Guillory step up as huge as he did... I had hoped, but couldn't have imagined how well our receivers would step up sans Tyson.

You are a hell of a fanbase and a hell of a team, I'll be rooting for you guys whenever it doesn't negatively impact ASU.
It was a total mismatch from the players on the field to the coaches on the sidelines. Congrats and good luck in the playoff.
 

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Their defense is similar to KSU's against the run, and similar to UCF and Cinci's against the pass.

As far as Skattebo goes, he shouldnt scare anyone at all. He is a good back, but his YPG average is as high as it is because ASU has been able to beat up on bad defenses. Miss. State gave up 262 on the ground to him alone, AZ gave up 177, and KU and OSU gave up 335 combined. AZ, and OSU are the worst rush defenses in the B12.

For point of reference, Wyoming and Texas State gave up 111 yards to Skattebo, combined. K-State kept him under 80.

IMO, those of you going down for the game need to be prepared to party, because I dont think this game is all that close, unless ISU decides to spot ASU some points

Boy, you sure know how to call em. Scattebo shouldn't scare anyone at all and Cyclone fans should be prepared to party.

The only thing you got right is that the game wouldn't be close.
 
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