What’s wrong with the offense?

HouClone

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Our offense is so much more in sync when Hansen is in there. Against UCF, we scored 2 TDs in 1st quarter with him running the ball and then was struggle city rest of the game with him out. Today, early, offense moving with him running and then he got hurt or they stopped running him.

I hope he isn't hurt but part of me wishes he has a nagging injury to avoid me concluding the coaching staff is so inept not to see we are much better with him.
 

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Yes, the NIU loss was bad, but that happens in CFB sometimes. Remember when Brock Purdy and Co. dang near lost at home to Drake? If Notre Dame plays well they beat us IMO. They run the ball really well and they can throw. More talent than us. Pretty good defense. Could we beat them, yes but they would be favored for sure.
Again never said I think we would beat them. I am saying (and again I’m well aware of how this works) is I am a results guy. Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Not just who would be favored on a neutral field or whatever. Because we were a two touchdown favorite at home today and lost. I absolutely loathe the whole “Well who would be favored!” talk. Not talking directly to you but so many people use that. Well then F the season and let the boys in the desert set the top 12 teams every year. No need for games.
 

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Again never said I think we would beat them. I am saying (and again I’m well aware of how this works) is I am a results guy. Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Not just who would be favored on a neutral field or whatever. Because we were a two touchdown favorite at home today and lost. I absolutely loathe the whole “Well who would be favored!” talk. Not talking directly to you but so many people use that. Well then F the season and let the boys in the desert set the top 12 teams every year. No need for games.
What are we even arguing about?
 

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You guys are out of your ******* minds. Mouser sucked today but he’s been really good prior to that. Rookie growing pains.
Yeah, as much as I ***** about some of his offense, he’s been really good for a first year guy.
 
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You guys are out of your ******* minds. Mouser sucked today but he’s been really good prior to that. Rookie growing pains.
Tonight was awful. But this has still remained some of the best offense we’ve seen in a few years. The playcalling over decent portions of this seasons has been awesome.

They had a dud tonight all around. But I’ll give them a couple more games before I determine Mouser and the staff have lost it completely,
 
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When I can predict run v pass( I did most of the time) that pathetic
 

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It’s obvious it’s the play calling. We have good backs, good recievers, good quarterback. That 3rd and ten where Rocco just took off running should get a coach fired. So many questionable play calls today. Can’t we go find a coordinator? I mean we are a power 5 team.
I agree that some of the play calling was poor. No question. Along with the play that you reference, the 3rd down inside the 10 where we had a heavy set with just Higgins out wide was pretty terrible. Basically just a one route play, where the only two things that could happen was Higgins catching it or Rocco running it in. Tech was all over it and the only option was a forced throw.

However, while the offense may not be living up to what we see as our potential, they've been good enough to get to 7-0 in Mouser's first year in the role. Often the best learning experiences are bad ones.
 

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You guys are out of your ******* minds. Mouser sucked today but he’s been really good prior to that. Rookie growing pains.
I’d challenge anyone that disagrees to point to a better OC we’be had.

I don’t remember much before end of Mac’s tenure, but I’d put him up there so far with anything we’ve had in the past.
 

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I’d challenge anyone that disagrees to point to a better OC we’be had.

I don’t remember much before end of Mac’s tenure, but I’d put him up there so far with anything we’ve had in the past.
OC’s in the past didn’t have the talent we have now.
 

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It would seem other teams know if we are running or passing based on the players that are in the game, the formation, and sets. For example, both Noel and Higgins were out on the same play, of course Tech know it was going to be a run, and it got completely stuffed. But even with predictable play calling today, that is not what cost us the game. It was the between the ears mistakes from both the players and coaching staff. The two ineligible player down field penalties, false start at the goal line, burning time outs, designed QB run to the side creating a bad angle for the kick(strange call to say the least), going for it on 4rth and 2 instead of taking the points, and two turnovers in the redzone. Additionally, Rocco struggled in the short passing game. On those type of passes/routes, he was throwing it low or putting way to much heat on the ball instead of a little touch. He couldn't even make a decent pass on a short 2 pt conversion throw that was there. So between the coaching staff and players, there was a lot of boneheaded, lack of focus type of mistakes. Yes, those type of things happen every game, but not at this rate, cut those in half we win.
 
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Why does Campbell always have a young, inexperienced OC? What would be wrong with finding someone with experience...it seems to have worked well for the defense.
An experienced OC would expect some autonomy. Won't happen.
 
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#13 and #9 come out. Run. When they come back in on 2nd down? Pass.
What's really sad about the play calling yesterday is that Mouser said they used the bye week to review their tendencies and adjust. Wrong adjustments, Mousie boy.
 
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Play calling stunk, offensive line stunk, and Rocco Stunk. Not sure what he's seeing out there. He's missing wide open guys standing right in front of him. What was he doing on that 2 point play on our last TD. Throw the damn ball, the receiver was wide open. Waited and threw it right at a defender. He's locking on receivers and he's got to stop double or triple pumping the ball before he throws. If he's going to do that find another receiver. He's telegraphing his passes and not going through his progressions.
 

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Play calling stunk, offensive line stunk, and Rocco Stunk. Not sure what he's seeing out there. He's missing wide open guys standing right in front of him. What was he doing on that 2 point play on our last TD. Throw the damn ball, the receiver was wide open. Waited and threw it right at a defender. He's locking on receivers and he's got to stop double or triple pumping the ball before he throws. If he's going to do that find another receiver. He's telegraphing his passes and not going through his progressions.
The hard truth is Rocco isn't as good as we made him out to be. Huge heart, middle of the road skills.
 

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Outside of the 3rd down QB draw to set up a 50 yarder, I didn't think the playcalling was all that bad.

Execution was horrendous. How many times did we get an ineligible downfield to negate a nice 15 yard gain? That's not a playcalling issue, that's an execution issue.

Mouser didn't fumble in the redzone.

Mouser didn't false start at the 1 yard line (and then get stonewalled on running plays that we have had success with in the past).

My only criticisms of the playcalling were the 3rd down QB draw (makes zero sense to "set up" a 50 yard field goal into the wind) and I feel like they don't really go with the "hot hand" with running backs; seems like once a guy makes a good play, they pull him out.

We gained 450 yards despite our o-line having a pretty bad game. Drops, turnovers, and penalties killed us. Mouser didn't call for those things to happen.
Agree and disagree. So, #1, the offensive coordinator can have a huge impact on the OL play. Sometimes, you just get whipped and the DL just hands you your a**. Nothing an OC can do in those games.

However, when you see what they're doing and you never adjust ( call screens, roll out the pocket, etc) and just keep thinking (well, we're going to pick up the blitz eventually) without really changing anything? That's coaching. That's the definition of insanity. We NEVER moved the pocket. We didn't have a TE in to chip on the edge to prevent the free rusher. We didn't adjust to what they were doing just basically looked at the OL and said

"FIX IT". Which, yes, the OL needs to "fix it" but also, the coaching staff needs to say at some point " well, ****, they need some help so let's try this". What's the saying from Mike Tyson? Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face? We got punched in the face, and neither the OL nor the coaching staff seemed to have a backup plan. Other than bringing Bonifas in at guard, who, I might be wrong, I don't think has every played there before?


That's the problem though. You can't let a bad defense or worse, a good defense (Not that Tech's good ) but even a bad defense when they know what's coming, can stop you. Unless you have Derrick Henry (and we don't) who can just truck people out to Pluto - or Barry Sanders (and we don't) who can make 11 guys miss him in a phone booth - you can't say OK, we're bringing in all these TE's and Carsen and we're going to run it straight ahead 100% of the time. Not by week 8. Those other guys are getting paid - coaches and players now - too. That's on Mouser.

Not scheming the Brahmer's, Burkle's, Green's, Alston - open early so that a line backer or safety can't be a free rusher and you just bracket Noel and Higgins - that's on Mouser. And to a lesser degree Rocco. Cause if you target the other guys, your main guys don't get double covered or bracketed so much. its kinda like a pitcher setting up the slider by throwing a fastball. You want to throw to Higgins and Noel, DUH, but you set the defense up by throwing to Brahmer, Green, Brown, etc. Not like 10 times to one but maybe collectively, but 4-5 targets to a couple of guys each is enough so their DC says crap, I can't bring the over-hang defender cause they're killing me in the flat or down the seam, where-ever. That also helps your offensive line because that guy is now out of the box and can't be a free rusher. Its not an accident we did that yesterday and Rocco had nearly 300 passing even in a non-perfect game. Defense's don't have to defend the whole field when you are basically throwing to 2 guys.

Here's an insane Stat. Higgins (55 receptions), Noel (43 receptions). Next? Brahmer has 10. Burkle has 6 but had 2 coming into yesterday. All of our other receivers combined have 36 receptions. Yes, you want to get your best players the ball. DUH. But that also makes it so incredibly easy late in the season on DCs. Which is why completion percentage drops. Passer ratings drop. When a secondary coach can say, hey, watch him and him - everyone else, don't worry. They're probably not throwing it to them. That makes it hard to block a blitz, it makes it hard to get open, it makes EVERYTHING hard when you are so one dimensional in the passing game. To use another baseball analogy, its Sammy Sosa. You're going to hit a home run or strike out.

Carsen Hansen (Barring injury) touching the ball 5 times in a half where he's averaging 6 yards a carry, essentially, and has one reception for 8 yards while the rest of the ground game had 12 runs for 8 yards -that's on coaching and not having the "hot" hand in the game. Again, barring injury.

Or, case in point, Hansen before his hot run of running the ball typically has been our best blitz pick up back - yet, in a game where we are getting pressured, we have Jackson in on 3rd and long and we get some pressure - not a fan of side arming the ball, I'd rather take the sack but I get trying to make a play so it's not a huge critique of the QB - but again, why? Unless he was still injured or less than 100%. But then why not use Klotz or someone whose bigger and in theory, slightly better at picking up rushing defenders? It wasn't terrible by Jackson but I just thought, that's a weird personnel to have out there against a team that's blitz heavy, to not have your best blitz pick up crew out there on 3rd down.

Why we passed on a long FG in dry weather then called a play in the rain to set up a long, albeit slightly shorter by about 2-3 yards is a strange scenario. Cause I'd agree the field conditions made the 51 yarder as long as the 54-55 yarder would have been and maybe even harder at that point in time.

And the use of time outs in the 3rd quarter. Just... wow. Especially the 1st one. Wouldn't that have been nice to have.

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All of that said, yes, the players have the lions share of blame. Rocco's pick which wasn't 100% on him, but even without the false start on the goal line, fumbles the snap. Higgin's had the 4th down drop, etc.

I won't kill Hufford because while yes, he has to hold his water, man that's tough on RPO's. Like, there's an internal clock where you're thinking as an OL, that if the QB gave it, your RB will die if you don't get the LB. So, those are tough. Its a combination of Hufford needs to be a little patient, and also, the ball's gotta come out quicker and have a faster developing RPO aspect. Cause the OL has no freaking clue if its a run or pass unless its pre-determined so its hard to tell him " okay, you need to get the LB but also, you need to not get the LB in case we throw it". That's a weird no man's land for an offensive linemen.

I wanna know where the wrinkles went. Like, early in the year we threw out of the Maryland I I think once our twice. Like we hit Brahmer on that 4th down I think where he makes an insane catch. We ran that short option on a 4th down, etc. We weren't doing crazy half back pass flea flicker reverses to the uncovered offensive linemen crap - but we were just unpredictable enough that it was hard to figure out what we were doing.

But we seem to have regressed - IDK if what was the pressure? Like, it happens all the time with coaches and players, especially if they're not used to it - like, we played not to lose yesterday. That was how that game felt.

It felt like the last couple of weeks, the team was struggling a little with the idea of being the hunted instead of the hunter, like all the playoff talk, all the undefeated talk, started to seep in. Which is human nature. Look at Ohio State, Clemson, Texas A&M, etc... all these teams, even a couple that won, really really have been struggling and not playing super great. So now, we're in uncharted territory, are banged up, facing a dangerous team that feels disrespected - and we picked a terrible time to basically lose the game with all the mistakes and it started to show.


Its all tied together. Its like a car. The players have to execute better, OF COURSE.

But play calling, scheming, working other players into the game to at least make the defensive coordinator say "OK, I have to account for him" even just throwing the ball to Sama or Hansen out of the back field more. Something.

That also makes it EASIER for the players to execute because you put more doubt, more conflict into a defense than what we are doing currently. That's why we had the success against Baylor or the 2nd half against Iowa. Because we were finding ways to put the defense in conflict. Yesterday, and even against WVU - and Houston - it was like "meh, we're just going to play straight up no matter what" and sure... it MIGHT work out. And it had until yesterday.

But it makes playing offense so MUCH harder when you stop putting the defense into conflict.

So on all fronts, yesterday was a fluster F but one you could kinda see coming to some degree.


I know that got long again but just trying to cover all the basis of what I see, not that I'm some savant, lord knows I'm not but I did spend a decent amount around the game at various levels including college, albeit never anywhere close to Big 12 or power conference so I know all the coaches know way more than I do and are smarter. Just trying to break things down from what I see is all.

Hope everyone has a great Sunday.
 

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