When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[HFCS]

Eventually you have to make money too, no matter how good your product is.

I’m only repeating what I heard on the radio but I heard Tesla was first profitable in year 17? Seems like at least one of these other EV startups will succeed faster than that. Of course they’ll have a ton more competition from the big boys than Tesla did until the past couple years.

 

[do4CY]

2 weeks into only having an EV today

- 350 miles driven including 25 from the dealership

- $0.00 total fuel cost (just charging at a free level 2 in the park where I hike with my dogs, maybe 4x a week)

- battery still at 55% and haven’t even needed to plug in at home

- local gas price $5.10/gallon

- maybe 30 total seconds of effort to do all charging vs the probably 5-15 minutes I’d have had to spend pulling into a gas station once or twice

Do you have the Honda prologue?

 

[HFCS]

Do you have the Honda prologue?

No we switched at the last minute because on final test drive we just thought it felt too big for some of the tight ubran spots we'll be in. Got Subaru Solterra, I know it doesn't have great range but otherwise it was the best out there for something that could work really well in the city but still have some limited offroad capability. I know it's not a Wrangler but I feel comfortable taking it to the same mountain spots my previous Subaru hybrid got me and then if I'm in some tight LA parking ramp I'm not driving a boat.

I'm sure Prologue would be great for suburban environment or people who don't mind larger cars in a big city.

 

[DSMCy]

Anyone here have the Ford Lightning?
Specifically 2022 model year.

Found a used 2022 with pretty low miles and the price seems almost too good to be true.

Does anyone know what all Ford has updated in the Lightning since 2022?

 

[do4CY]

Anyone here have the Ford Lightning?
Specifically 2022 model year.

Found a used 2022 with pretty low miles and the price seems almost too good to be true.

Does anyone know what all Ford has updated in the Lightning since 2022?

I just got a used 2023 last week. I don't think a lot changed from 2022 to 2023 besides base price.
So far I have been averaging around 2 mi/kwh which gives me a max range of about 160 miles when I charge to 80%. I hooked it to a single axle enclosed trailer today and the avg went to 1.1 mi/kwh for the 11 miles I had to go with it.

 

[DSMCy]

I just got a used 2023 last week. I don't think a lot changed from 2022 to 2023 besides base price.
So far I have been averaging around 2 mi/kwh which gives me a max range of about 160 miles when I charge to 80%. I hooked it to a single axle enclosed trailer today and the avg went to 1.1 mi/kwh for the 11 miles I had to go with it.

Oh wow I thought you’d get closer to 2.5 mi/kwh when not towing.

Are you mostly highway, interstate, or more local travel?

 

[do4CY]

It's mostly highway and gravel. A lot of it is drive for 5-10 miles and stop for a while and then go again so it is on the low end of economy. For comparison I have had a 1/2 ton for the past 11 years that most people would average 16-18 mpg with for normal driving and I am at 13 mpg.

I think 2.3 to 2.5 could be possible in the right conditions. Fords estimate is around 2.4

 

[mramseyISU]

Anyone here have the Ford Lightning?
Specifically 2022 model year.

Found a used 2022 with pretty low miles and the price seems almost too good to be true.

Does anyone know what all Ford has updated in the Lightning since 2022?

I don't own one but I've been using one some. We got one at work as like a fleet vehicle to take rather than renting a car to take on supplier visits and we can check it out for personal use when it's not being used officially. I think it's a 2023 standard range XLT. I like it for the most part, not sure I'm ready to go buy one but if I did it would be the extended range. I don't think it would be that big of a hinderance on my life either. I would probably invest in a 240V - 50A outlet in your garage if you don't already have one to make at home charging easy. 120V is worth about 1mile of range per hour plugged in so I don't think I'd bother with that. Fast charging works well and I think you'd probably save a bunch of money in fuel overall.

My only drawback personally would be the occasional trip to see my parents because they live in a place where public charging doesn't exist. I've done it in the lightning, it was fine but a little inconvenient compared to a gas vehicle.

 

[simply1]

Tesla sales fall for second straight quarter despite price cuts, but decline not as bad as expected

The sales decline came despite Tesla knocking $2,000 off the prices of three of its five models in the United States in April.

www.king5.com

 

[HFCS]

 

[lil clone]

I’ve seen 5 or so cyber trucks in the metro and I just laugh knowing they spent over 120k on that and can’t sell for a year. It just looks so bad.

 

[IcSyU]

It's mostly highway and gravel. A lot of it is drive for 5-10 miles and stop for a while and then go again so it is on the low end of economy. For comparison I have had a 1/2 ton for the past 11 years that most people would average 16-18 mpg with for normal driving and I am at 13 mpg.

I think 2.3 to 2.5 could be possible in the right conditions. Fords estimate is around 2.4

As a Mach E owner, don't trust a ******* thing Ford tells you. They tested everything with absolutely perfect conditions. I think the sweet spot on our Mach E is perfect for in town type stuff but not at all for highway or interstate driving. I'm sure I could do 300+ miles at town speeds. We are lucky to get 2.5 mi/kWh highway or interstate.

 

[NorthCyd]

I’ve seen 5 or so cyber trucks in the metro and I just laugh knowing they spent over 120k on that and can’t sell for a year. It just looks so bad.

My first sighting of one in the wild was last week in Ankeny. It's eye catching for all the wrong reasons. It looks like something from a bad 80s Sci-Fi movie.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Only argument I can see against solar is that ChIna has quickly become the global supplier. It feels like we’re just replacing being dependent on OPEC to China.

But I guess we’ll see how we can catch up with technological advances and geological finds to get some of the materials needed domestically.

Right now, yes. But solar panels aren't consumable like fossil fuel, and once the raw materials are harvested the manufacturing could be done anywhere. So I'm optimistic that solar manufacturing capacity will grow and dependency on China will weaken in the medium-term.

 

[brianhos]

As a Mach E owner, don't trust a ******* thing Ford tells you. They tested everything with absolutely perfect conditions. I think the sweet spot on our Mach E is perfect for in town type stuff but not at all for highway or interstate driving. I'm sure I could do 300+ miles at town speeds. We are lucky to get 2.5 mi/kWh highway or interstate.

Tesla must be more efficient, I avg about 3.3 mi/kWh in a model Y.

 

[do4CY]

As a Mach E owner, don't trust a ******* thing Ford tells you. They tested everything with absolutely perfect conditions. I think the sweet spot on our Mach E is perfect for in town type stuff but not at all for highway or interstate driving. I'm sure I could do 300+ miles at town speeds. We are lucky to get 2.5 mi/kWh highway or interstate.

Yeah, I knew their numbers would not be obtainable. In the small amount of town driving that I have done the efficiency is awesome. Everything else has been right around 2 mi/kWh.

I drove 155 miles yesterday, with it being a mix of gravel, highway, interstate and a little bit of city driving and it was just a shade over 2. It used 78% of the battery.

 

[DSMCy]

Yeah, I knew their numbers would not be obtainable. In the small amount of town driving that I have done the efficiency is awesome. Everything else has been right around 2 mi/kWh.

I drove 155 miles yesterday, with it being a mix of gravel, highway, interstate and a little bit of city driving and it was just a shade over 2. It used 78% of the battery.

Yah that’s a little disappointing to hear.
I was hoping I could get by with the standard range but now thinking I would need the extended. That may price me out for now.

 

[do4CY]

Yah that’s a little disappointing to hear.
I was hoping I could get by with the standard range but now thinking I would need the extended. That may price me out for now.

I'm not trying to sell you on the truck because I understand your concerns but I will keep passing on the results I have been getting. In the 15 miles I've driven this morning I've been at 2.35 mi/kWh but I haven't had the ac on. That doesn't use as much power as the heat. There are days in the winter that the range will probably be 1/3 less.

My wife's chevy bolt is averaging 3.6 mi/kWh to the 2 I have seen so far in the lightning. Her car weighs around 3500 lbs while the truck is over 6000 lbs, so it's still about moving mass.

I do like the frunk and having a 240v outlet that I can plug my welder into will come in handy.

 

[DSMCy]

I'm not trying to sell you on the truck because I understand your concerns but I will keep passing on the results I have been getting. In the 15 miles I've driven this morning I've been at 2.35 mi/kWh but I haven't had the ac on. That doesn't use as much power as the heat. There are days in the winter that the range will probably be 1/3 less.

My wife's chevy bolt is averaging 3.6 mi/kWh to the 2 I have seen so far in the lightning. Her car weighs around 3500 lbs while the truck is over 6000 lbs, so it's still about moving mass.

I do like the frunk and having a 240v outlet that I can plug my welder into will come in handy.

I appreciate the real world info!

 

[besserheimerphat]

Some of the folks complaining about charging times must be like this guy: