When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 72 8.1%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 163 18.4%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 189 21.3%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 455 51.4%

  • Total voters
    886
Interesting read in light of RIVN 'lights out' quarterly earnings.

 
What Toyota has to say about hydrogen is pretty interesting.

Toyota CEO on Hydrogen 2023

Toyota's new CEO, Koji Sato, believes hydrogen is the way forward when it comes to carbon neutrality. While virtually every other automaker on the planet is focusing solely on battery electric vehicles, Sato reckons hydrogen will be the backbone of the Japanese marque's future.
 
Interesting read in light of RIVN 'lights out' quarterly earnings.

We like our Toyota hybrid vehicles. They basically doubled the fuel economy over the vehicles they replaced.

Fuel economy does go down the colder it gets though especially below 0.
 
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What Toyota has to say about hydrogen is pretty interesting.

Toyota CEO on Hydrogen 2023

Toyota's new CEO, Koji Sato, believes hydrogen is the way forward when it comes to carbon neutrality. While virtually every other automaker on the planet is focusing solely on battery electric vehicles, Sato reckons hydrogen will be the backbone of the Japanese marque's future.
In light of these comments, this is also very interesting.

Toyota Offers $40,000 Discount On A Car Most People Can't Fuel Up
 
Interesting read in light of RIVN 'lights out' quarterly earnings.

That is interesting. A lot of something good is better than a little of something great?

From a corporate standpoint, I think they think the window on EV isn't truly open yet and for sometime hybrids are still the way to go, both for practicality and profitability. Sort of like the transition from film cameras to camera phones. There was a good stretch in between where digital cameras were a big deal. The hybrid is the digital camera maybe.

Either they are really right and will hit a home run, or they will end up behind the curve on EV and struggle some. Or maybe, both.
 
That is interesting. A lot of something good is better than a little of something great?

From a corporate standpoint, I think they think the window on EV isn't truly open yet and for sometime hybrids are still the way to go, both for practicality and profitability. Sort of like the transition from film cameras to camera phones. There was a good stretch in between where digital cameras were a big deal. The hybrid is the digital camera maybe.

Either they are really right and will hit a home run, or they will end up behind the curve on EV and struggle some. Or maybe, both.
I think Toyota is both right and wrong about EV's at the same time. They're right in that it's going to be several years to get the kinks worked out and hybrids are better for a lot of consumers. They're wrong in that they need to be building them to learn how to make a good one when they are ready for prime time or risk being left behind.
 
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I think Toyota is both right and wrong about EV's at the same time. They're right in that it's going to be several years to get the kinks worked out and hybrids are better for a lot of consumers. They're wrong in that they need to be building them to learn how to make a good one when they are ready for prime time or risk being left behind.
That's probably about right. But Toyota has never ever been the bleeding edge of technology - they've always been 2nd gen tech for maximum reliability. Thus the bulletproof (but 18mpg) engine in my 4Runner.

Feels like their approach on EV matches that. So in 2040, they will have the most reliable EV's anywhere lol.
 
Yeah, if you don't have a way to have a 240v plug in at home, especially if you aren't close to other chargers, that would be rough. I know of someone who bought a mach-e but lives in an apartment with no way to charge it there. Not a smart move.

Our bolt came with a level one charger, so 120v that can charge at 8 or 12 amps, you tell the car what to charge at. But after some searching this same charger can be run at 240v so I hardwired it and now I can charge at 240v at 12 amps which so far has been enough to charge it easily overnight. My garage only runs off of a 30amp subpanel so I wouldn't want to do anymore than that anyways. It also helps that my garage is heated. I did install a 40 Amp level 2 charger in my machine shed if I need, although the bolt can only charge at 32 amps.

On average we have been getting around 4 miles/kwh in the nicer temps but that drops down to 3 or less on the few days that it has been colder. I have seen up to 6 mi/kwh but that didn't last long. We bought it with just under 25k miles and the trip had never been reset and the average was 2.1 mi/kwh. We have put a little over 1000 miles on it and that average has gone up to 3.1 mi/kwh which seems insane. My guess is that it was kept in the cold which brought that number down.
Couldn't you just run a new wire from your main breaker box and drop a new breaker in for that? Its pretty simple. I did it for our garage heater.
 
What Toyota has to say about hydrogen is pretty interesting.

Toyota CEO on Hydrogen 2023

Toyota's new CEO, Koji Sato, believes hydrogen is the way forward when it comes to carbon neutrality. While virtually every other automaker on the planet is focusing solely on battery electric vehicles, Sato reckons hydrogen will be the backbone of the Japanese marque's future.
As I understand you use steam and pressure to separate hydrogen and co2 from natural gas molecule. Then a hydrogen fuel cell converts it back to electricity and water.

How is this more efficient than batteries?
 
Couldn't you just run a new wire from your main breaker box and drop a new breaker in for that? Its pretty simple. I did it for our garage heater.
I could but our garage was not originally attached so it would take more work than I have been willing to do.

The 3 kw that I have right now has been more than enough
 
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@besserheimerphat Any insight into hydrogen for cars? Seems like a long way off, if ever, from what I’ve read.
I'm in the semi industry, not passenger car, but there is some work being done on hydrogen. There are both hydrogen ICE versions and hydrogen fuel cell versions. In the fuel cell version, hydrogen is combined with atmospheric oxygen in an electrochemical cell to generate electricity, which is used to power electric drive motors.

 
It'll be interesting to see how your MPG experience is. I'm reading that it isn't much of a bump, but hoping for the best.

And I'm FLOORED at the price of a new Tundra. Holy mother ******* balls ****
I've seen real world mpg all over the place with them from what I've read and you're right about the price of any new truck. I had had been waiting on the new Tacoma with the hybrid but I got a little impatient and the rated gas mileage between the Tundra hybrid and the gas Tacoma was only 1 mpg highway different. Add onto that the truck I got was within $5k of what they expect the Tacoma Hybrid I wanted to cost I figured I'd just go for it. I don't need a full sized truck but the extra interior room will be nice with two teenagers in the house.
 
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I've seen real world mpg all over the place with them from what I've read and you're right about the price of any new truck. I had had been waiting on the new Tacoma with the hybrid but I got a little impatient and the rated gas mileage between the Tundra hybrid and the gas Tacoma was only 1 mpg highway different. Add onto that the truck I got was within $5k of what they expect the Tacoma Hybrid I wanted to cost I figured I'd just go for it. I don't need a full sized truck but the extra interior room will be nice with two teenagers in the house.

I swear if a manufacturer ever brought back a Chevy LUV or early Toyota sized truck I'd totally buy.

The Maverick is too dang ugly and if you can't park your beast of a truck then don't drive it.

(Rant over)
 
I swear if a manufacturer ever brought back a Chevy LUV or early Toyota sized truck I'd totally buy.

The Maverick is too dang ugly and if you can't park your beast of a truck then don't drive it.

(Rant over)
I swear if I have to stop and wait one more time while some idiot tries to back his F250 into a parking spot...
 

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