Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Lexclone]

Maybe too early to tell, but based on all the realignment happenings up to date, has anyone changed any rooting preferences? Mine are as follows:

• Big 12 team over any Big10 or SEC team. We may not like some of our peers (Utah, Baylor ect), but every team in our conference has been told in some form or fashion "you're not good enough". Love the chip on our shoulder mentality.
• Anyone over Texas (of course besides Iowa). Screw UT, they are a cancer and the SEC will find that out sooner than later.
• Washington State and Oregon State to have killer seasons. I'll be keeping more of an eye on their last season in the Pac12 as we know it. Hope they can stick it to everyone.

Get out of my brain, you genius!

 

[isucy86]

The whole thing is going to have to go back to the drawing board, since it was first sketched out in a 12-team/18-game scenario.

With 16 teams, I imagine hoops will go to 20 league games.

It all depends on how many home & home series the Big12 wants. With 16 teams, totally flexible on conference games: 18, 19 or 20.

Same as football, I like more protected rivals. Would love for ISU to play KU, KSU, OSU and CU twice every year plus one new school to develop rival.

 

[isucy86]

Something close to $50 million is what it would have took to get Washington and Oregon to sign on.

Maybe, but they are only getting low 30's in Big10 until 2030.

GK got bad advice from his consultants and they lacked credibility with Presidents.

 

[isucy86]

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Imagine what the 16 team end of season tourney will be like. Probably 2 days of the first round? No way they could play 8 games in 1 day, unless they split across 2 arenas. I actually see this year's tourney with 14 teams is scheduled for 5 days, so with 16 it will definitely be 5 days. KC is going to be bigger and better than ever!

TV probably wouldn't like. But having 2 sites for 1st round might actually be a great idea to keep tournament at 4 days.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Probably a 5 day tournament as well. 9-16 seeds play the first day. Winners of those play the 5-8 seeds on day 2. Winners of that play the 1-4 seeds on day 3, and then onward on day 4-5 to the championship.

Pretty much has to be that way unless you split arenas, as you said.

Tuesday:
9 v 16
12 v 13
10 v 15
11 v 14

Wednesday:
8 v 9/16
5 v 12/13
7 v 10/15
6 v 11/14

Thursday:
1 v 8/9/16
4 v 5/12/13
2 v 7/10/15
3 v 6/11/14

Friday: Semis
Saturday: Championship

You have to go with the double bye format to make the end of the regular season mean something.

 

[Stormin]

PAC 12 absolutely screwed themselves. They were offered the money Big 12 got for their conference. And refused the deal because GK had them all pumped for $50 million even without USCLA. So far apart in money and a realistic bid that ESPN just walked away. And that is when BY decided to jump in and negotiate with ESPN and Fox. They offered Big 12 and BY negotiated and was realistic about things. GK and PAC 12 boxed themselves out.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I don't think so. 5 days is too many. I would keep it simple. No byes.

Day 1
8 vs 9
7 vs 10
6 vs 11
5 vs 12

Day 2
4 vs 13
3 vs 14
2 vs 15
1 vs 16

Day 3
Semis

Day 4
Championship

You missed an entire round. There aren't 8 teams in the semifinals.

 

[StLouisClone]

You missed an entire round. There aren't 8 teams in the semifinals.

I deleted it, but was too late!

 

[exCyDing]

PAC 12 absolutely screwed themselves. They were offered the money Big 12 got for their conference. And refused the deal because GK had them all pumped for $50 million even without USCLA. So far apart in money and a realistic bid that ESPN just walked away. And that is when BY decided to jump in and negotiate with ESPN and Fox. They offered Big 12 and BY negotiated and was realistic about things. GK and PAC 12 boxed themselves out.

That was just the first time the PAC really ****** themselves.

• The PAC Network as been a debacle since the beginning, and really put almost every Athletic Dept in the red and a massive accounting mistake didn't help.
• The wildly inaccurate expectations for a post-USCLA media deal, as you mentioned.
• Insisting on getting a new deal first before any expansion. This should have been done in conjunction.
• Dragging out the media negotiations for far too long, when it was apparent pretty quickly that the $50M/ expectation was wildly inflated and not nearly where the Networks were.

IMO, the last one was the difference between the PAC surviving as a conference in some form and totally collapsing. Presenting the offers in hand last spring may have sparked some defections, but it sure seemed ASU and UT were willing to go down to the point where the PAC simply wasn't viable as a conference. Perhaps the B10 doesn't step in to pick up OR and WA, who still might jump to the B12 along with CO. Perhaps the ABOR blocks AZ from leaving, keeping the PAC at 7 and with time to backfill with SMU, SDSU and a few other schools, sign a deal and stumble on for another 5-6 years. Once they passed June 30th with no deal and no expansion, it seemed pretty clear GK's strategy was to try to run out the clock and corner everyone into signing the best ****** deal they could find. Once CO called the bluff and demanded to see numbers, the jig was up and nobody could pretend otherwise.

 

[bosco]

The only way Arizona was ever signing that Apple deal is if their BOR forced them to - especially after Arizona to the Big 12 was a done deal all except for BOR approval.

These guys are so full of **** - nobody was signing that Apple deal if they had better options - and 6 schools did.

It's pretty obvious who was feeding these guys info.

 

[JM4CY]

Lol

 

[Cloneon]

It's pretty obvious who was feeding these guys info.

This is when my insider knew they were screwed. He couldn't even put the logos in the right spots.

 

[HouClone]

Stew recently wrote lamenting the Pac conference downfall. He didn't feel the same about the Big 12 collapsing in 2010.

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/06/04/pac-10-expansion

"The No. 1 reason: It makes too much sense."

"So kudos to you, Larry Scott. You were hired to make your conference more relevant. It feels like you already have."

 

[FerShizzle]

Malpractice. Every single prez and AD should be asked about it.

 

[keepngoal]

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This is when my insider knew they were screwed. He couldn't even put the logos in the right spots.

jeesus.... I count five things wrong with the stickers on that poster.

 

[LLCoolCY]

The Pac12 number of post-mortem article almost to the point I fell sorry for the conference. Almost.

 

[LonelyCyKC]

Wren Baker the WVU AD was on 365Sports yesterday. Completely took the high road. He has already spoke to ASU AD.

He said WVU fans will take an ASU visit as opportunity to highlight WV hospitality.

The 365 guys have interviewed Jamie, WVU & BU AD's over last couple days. All seemed to anticipate that WVU vs ASU in Morgantown will happen in 2024. My guess is Yormark views all publicity is good publicity. And when time comes for game, everyone will be collegial.

ASU is just afraid that going from the hot open desert to mountains, rain and trees will cause their sinuses to explode.

 

[Proton]

Maybe too early to tell, but based on all the realignment happenings up to date, has anyone changed any rooting preferences? Mine are as follows:

• Big 12 team over any Big10 or SEC team. We may not like some of our peers (Utah, Baylor ect), but every team in our conference has been told in some form or fashion "you're not good enough". Love the chip on our shoulder mentality.
• Anyone over Texas (of course besides Iowa). Screw UT, they are a cancer and the SEC will find that out sooner than later.
• Washington State and Oregon State to have killer seasons. I'll be keeping more of an eye on their last season in the Pac12 as we know it. Hope they can stick it to everyone.

I am indifferent to Texas. This year I want them to lose everything, of course, but don’t care once they’re in the SEC.
Oklahoma is the school who I’d like to see seriously humbled. I hope they get the full Nebraska experience from here on out.

 

[LonelyCyKC]

Yea, I feel we already have enough Texas schools. UConn or SDSU would be better takes for Big12 than SMU.

But if I recall correctly, Cowlishaw is a Dallas journalist.

Besides that, with West Virginia and Cincinnati we need at least one more team, like Louisville, to fill out the region.

 

[LonelyCyKC]

I completely think BY will definitely go the “in-season tourney” route and it makes perfect sense to drive the basketball $$ to that 10-14Mil stand alone amount projected by BY.
Think about group stage games on campuses - (4 groups of 4 apiece starting in 2025 alternating home and away each year) Games played Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday starting on the Saturday after Thanksgiving where you tie home Friday FB games with home BB tourney games). Then top 2 of each Group go to knockout round Championship tourney in Mexico over X-Mas Break and bottom 2 of each Group play in “Silver” knockout round Championship Tourney held in places like Orlando, Vegas, Phoenix. The Group Stage games also count as regular season games for Conference and the knockout games are only used for tiebreakers. Then in the normal conference season everyone plays each other 1x so you have 18 conference games for the regular standings. This guarantees in your group you play home and away against them and make the group permanent (ISU, KU, KSU, CU as 1 group; BYU, UU, UA, ASU as 1; OSU, TT, TCU, BU as 1; and WV, Cincy, UH and UCF). Money for the tourney would be better than the standard holiday tourneys and would grow B12 Mexico $$ as well.

Also, by having the “Silver” Championship at these locations it frees up the ability to keep the End of Season tourney at KC.

I don't know who came up with this Mexico game as such a good idea. We have no teams from there, We have no players from there. And, why would any of our fans want to travel down there to see a game (we now have Arizona and Florida for fun locations). Besides that, Football in Mexico means Soccer. Pro football teams may be able to justify games there, as they can move their money around to cover the costs, but colleges---no way jose.