Bowls haven't mattered for a long time now - not since the BCS (or its predecessor) became a thing.
Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip
Bowls haven't mattered for a long time now - not since the BCS (or its predecessor) became a thing.
yep, and an extra month of practice that can be crucial to a program at times.Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip
Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip
Yeah...if there was any way to bring them on as 15/16, but the media partners are probably not into that, even at reduced share. ASU and UU seem like potential trouble makers. Maybe ASU less so if Crow moves on to Stanford.I want Oregon State and Washington state only because they are the Iowa State of the PAC.
We don't have any Vanderbilts or Rutgers or NWs getting subsidized by a Texas or Ohio State sized program.
After the ACC breaks up that's the next round of conference instability within SEC and Big Ten.
found this post about 2022 attendance avgs for every school - pretty interesting and magnifies just how little interest in PAC 12 football there is. every team but Kansas in Big 12 was 45th or better in attendance.
2/3 of PAC 12 was 47th or worse. USC and Wash only 2 to barely make top 25.
(i think parenthesis is total home games they had)
AVERAGE
76,587 - SEC
66,062 - Big Ten
58,723 - Big 12
47,663 - ACC
44,109 - Pac 12
28,576 - AAC
22,626 - MWC
19,892 - Sun Belt
18,038 - CUSA
14,262 - MAC
BIG 12
6. Texas (7) - 100,242
13. Oklahoma (6) - 83,835
28. Iowa State (7) - 57,344
29. Texas Tech (7) - 57,149
33. Oklahoma State (7) - 54,735
38. Kansas State (7) - 51,165
41. West Virginia (6) - 47,658
43. TCU (6) - 46,562
45. Baylor (6) - 45,463
49. Kansas (6) - 43,076
ACC
14. Clemson (7) - 80,694
21. Florida State (7) - 67,254
23. Virginia Tech (5) - 64,357
31. NC State (7) - 56,526
34. Pittsburgh (7) - 54,710
40. North Carolina (6) - 47,933
44. Miami (7) - 45,711
52. Louisville (6) - 41,692
56. Syracuse (7) - 40,828
57. Virginia (6) - 40,681
61. Georgia Tech (6) - 36,625
62. Boston College (6) - 35,706
67. Wake Forest (7) - 30,053
84. Duke (6) - 24,505
BIG TEN
1. Michigan (8) - 110,246
2. Penn State (7) - 107,379
3. Ohio State (8) - 104,663
11. Nebraska (7) - 86,637
17. Wisconsin (7) - 74,159
19. Iowa (7) - 69,250
20. Michigan State (7) - 69,047
30. Purdue (6) - 57,129
39. Rutgers (6) - 50,756
42. Indiana (7) - 46,906
46. Minnesota (7) - 45,019
50. Illinois (7) - 43,048
65. Maryland (7) - 31,934
72. Northwestern (6) - 28,697
PAC 12
22. Southern Cal (7) - 64,487
24. Washington (7) - 62,933
32. Oregon (6) - 54,950
37. Utah (6) - 52,057
47. Arizona (7) - 44,209
48. Arizona State (6) - 43,081
51. Colorado (6) - 42,847
53. UCLA (8) - 41,593
59. California (7) - 38,596
68. Stanford (6) - 29,965
74. Oregon State (6) - 28,400
80. Washington State (7) - 26,185
SEC
4. LSU (7) - 100,596
5. Tennessee (7) - 100,532
7. Alabama (7) - 98,981
8. Texas A&M (7) - 97,213
9. Georgia (6) - 92,746
10. Florida (7) - 87,180
12. Auburn (8) - 85,203
16. South Carolina (7) - 75,785
18. Arkansas (7) - 73,155
25. Mississippi (7) - 62,575
26. Kentucky (8) - 60,289
35. Missouri (7) - 54,525
36. Mississippi State (7) - 54,250
71. Vanderbilt (6) - 29,193
the dude could use a wellness check for sureAnyone heard anything from Mr. Not sure If We’re Going Shopping There Yet?
Truck Stop conference > Not a Conference
Minor point but Oregon and Washington don't have Boards of Regents. Each university has its own independent board, so there will be no issues for the Big 10 move.I suppose I should explain (again) why I'm willing to be more lenient about ASU than I am about UU: It's all about AZ.
Unlike in the past with how OBOR treated OSU, how KBOR was going to treat K-State, and apparently how OBOR and WBOR are going to treat OSU and WSU respectively, ABOR is being an absolute obstacle for AZ leaving for the Big 12.
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Yes, and to me it also illustrates how impressive the fan engagement in the SEC actually is.How crazy is it for ISU to be 4th of teams not in the Big 10 or SEC!? I don't think I could have wrapped my head around that fact 15 years ago.
I agree and think the Big10 is a less unified conference going forward after these latest moves. Best guess is that today’s hiccup was as much a Big10 member issue as anything. I still think adding the first 2 western outposts were a mistake and adding 2 more doesn’t really solve that problem. In addition, adding one blue-blood (USC) and three mid to upper tier “glamour” schools will relegate more of the “original little 8” to less favorable network slots, hurting exposure.I actually think the Big 10 has made themselves slightly vulnerable going forward. They have a ton of egos and mouths to feed once its time for the next media rights negotiation. Plus add all of the travel challenges they have. They will be completely fine until 2030 because money will cure all until then. But that next cycle might be challenging unless they are consistently getting 3+ teams into the playoffs. They really need on field performance to go up a notch now compared to their usual Ohio St. plus one other school situation. And even then there might just be less money available for college sports media rights generally. I'd much rather be the SEC than the Big 10 going forward.
I remember years ago the late, great Al McQuire said that Pullman, Washington was “where old elephants went to die”. About right. Nice town but remote as @%#€.My summer tradition since I moved to LA is driving all up and down the coast and mountain regions backpacking and camping every summer/fall.
It's really driven home to me how crazy distant the Pac always was compared to every other major conference.
When I was driving around Eugene or Seattle last summer it was still a loooooooong ways back to LA and it did have me thinking I could have driven home to Iowa from LA in about the same time. Driving through rural eastern Washington...WSU is easily the most remote school in any major conference. I drove from LA to SLC/Provo last month...I did it in one day but it killed an ENTIRE summer day mostly eating out of my car. Utah/AZ/ASU were never close to other Pac schools either, they're going to have similar geography in Big 12 and better geography than new Big Ten has.
I totally expect such rumors.Is it too soon for rumors to start about the B1G showing interest in Stanford so they can tell Notre Dame "All your buddies are here, you're gonna have to join a conference to make the CFP in a couple years, join now for our final, 20th spot."