Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[alarson]

Bowls haven't mattered for a long time now - not since the BCS (or its predecessor) became a thing.

Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip

 

[Uncle Paul]

The Master Plan Worked Out

 

[wintersmd]

Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip

yep, and an extra month of practice that can be crucial to a program at times.

 

[JHUNSY]

FYI in case it wasn’t obvious:

 

[Cyclonepride]

 

[HFCS]

Yep. Just enjoy them for what they are. An extra month of football and a chance for some to enjoy a fun trip

As a huge fan if you told me ISU got an extra regular season game (regardless of venue) against a team above .500 but not ranked top ten….AWESOME.

It doesn’t have to be the greatest thing ever to be worth it and fun.

 

[jbhtexas]

I want Oregon State and Washington state only because they are the Iowa State of the PAC.

Yeah...if there was any way to bring them on as 15/16, but the media partners are probably not into that, even at reduced share. ASU and UU seem like potential trouble makers. Maybe ASU less so if Crow moves on to Stanford.

 

[Gunnerclone]

We don't have any Vanderbilts or Rutgers or NWs getting subsidized by a Texas or Ohio State sized program.

After the ACC breaks up that's the next round of conference instability within SEC and Big Ten.

Not the private schools. They add value in their own ways.

 

[JM4CY]

Just explained all of this best I could to Little JM while running errands and are currently cranking this glorious tune with the windows down.

 

[Cyclonick182]

I'll echo what many have said but ASU and UU just seem like headaches the Big XII doesn't need....especially in the wake of the last heaches in Texa$$ and OU leaving. **** em.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Anyone heard anything from Mr. Not sure If We’re Going Shopping There Yet?

Truck Stop conference > Not a Conference

 

[LivntheCyLife]

found this post about 2022 attendance avgs for every school - pretty interesting and magnifies just how little interest in PAC 12 football there is. every team but Kansas in Big 12 was 45th or better in attendance.
2/3 of PAC 12 was 47th or worse. USC and Wash only 2 to barely make top 25.

(i think parenthesis is total home games they had)

AVERAGE
76,587 - SEC
66,062 - Big Ten
58,723 - Big 12
47,663 - ACC
44,109 - Pac 12

28,576 - AAC
22,626 - MWC
19,892 - Sun Belt
18,038 - CUSA
14,262 - MAC

BIG 12
6. Texas (7) - 100,242
13. Oklahoma (6) - 83,835
28. Iowa State (7) - 57,344
29. Texas Tech (7) - 57,149
33. Oklahoma State (7) - 54,735
38. Kansas State (7) - 51,165
41. West Virginia (6) - 47,658
43. TCU (6) - 46,562
45. Baylor (6) - 45,463
49. Kansas (6) - 43,076

ACC
14. Clemson (7) - 80,694
21. Florida State (7) - 67,254
23. Virginia Tech (5) - 64,357
31. NC State (7) - 56,526
34. Pittsburgh (7) - 54,710
40. North Carolina (6) - 47,933
44. Miami (7) - 45,711
52. Louisville (6) - 41,692
56. Syracuse (7) - 40,828
57. Virginia (6) - 40,681
61. Georgia Tech (6) - 36,625
62. Boston College (6) - 35,706
67. Wake Forest (7) - 30,053
84. Duke (6) - 24,505

BIG TEN
1. Michigan (8) - 110,246
2. Penn State (7) - 107,379
3. Ohio State (8) - 104,663
11. Nebraska (7) - 86,637
17. Wisconsin (7) - 74,159
19. Iowa (7) - 69,250
20. Michigan State (7) - 69,047
30. Purdue (6) - 57,129
39. Rutgers (6) - 50,756
42. Indiana (7) - 46,906
46. Minnesota (7) - 45,019
50. Illinois (7) - 43,048
65. Maryland (7) - 31,934
72. Northwestern (6) - 28,697

PAC 12
22. Southern Cal (7) - 64,487
24. Washington (7) - 62,933
32. Oregon (6) - 54,950
37. Utah (6) - 52,057
47. Arizona (7) - 44,209
48. Arizona State (6) - 43,081
51. Colorado (6) - 42,847
53. UCLA (8) - 41,593
59. California (7) - 38,596
68. Stanford (6) - 29,965
74. Oregon State (6) - 28,400
80. Washington State (7) - 26,185

SEC
4. LSU (7) - 100,596
5. Tennessee (7) - 100,532
7. Alabama (7) - 98,981
8. Texas A&M (7) - 97,213
9. Georgia (6) - 92,746
10. Florida (7) - 87,180
12. Auburn (8) - 85,203
16. South Carolina (7) - 75,785
18. Arkansas (7) - 73,155
25. Mississippi (7) - 62,575
26. Kentucky (8) - 60,289
35. Missouri (7) - 54,525
36. Mississippi State (7) - 54,250
71. Vanderbilt (6) - 29,193

How crazy is it for ISU to be 4th of teams not in the Big 10 or SEC!? I don't think I could have wrapped my head around that fact 15 years ago.

 

[FerShizzle]

Anyone heard anything from Mr. Not sure If We’re Going Shopping There Yet?

Truck Stop conference > Not a Conference

the dude could use a wellness check for sure

 

[LivntheCyLife]

I suppose I should explain (again) why I'm willing to be more lenient about ASU than I am about UU: It's all about AZ.

Unlike in the past with how OBOR treated OSU, how KBOR was going to treat K-State, and apparently how OBOR and WBOR are going to treat OSU and WSU respectively, ABOR is being an absolute obstacle for AZ leaving for the Big 12.

...

Minor point but Oregon and Washington don't have Boards of Regents. Each university has its own independent board, so there will be no issues for the Big 10 move.

 

[tim_redd]

How crazy is it for ISU to be 4th of teams not in the Big 10 or SEC!? I don't think I could have wrapped my head around that fact 15 years ago.

Yes, and to me it also illustrates how impressive the fan engagement in the SEC actually is.

 

[Cloniac2]

I actually think the Big 10 has made themselves slightly vulnerable going forward. They have a ton of egos and mouths to feed once its time for the next media rights negotiation. Plus add all of the travel challenges they have. They will be completely fine until 2030 because money will cure all until then. But that next cycle might be challenging unless they are consistently getting 3+ teams into the playoffs. They really need on field performance to go up a notch now compared to their usual Ohio St. plus one other school situation. And even then there might just be less money available for college sports media rights generally. I'd much rather be the SEC than the Big 10 going forward.

I agree and think the Big10 is a less unified conference going forward after these latest moves. Best guess is that today’s hiccup was as much a Big10 member issue as anything. I still think adding the first 2 western outposts were a mistake and adding 2 more doesn’t really solve that problem. In addition, adding one blue-blood (USC) and three mid to upper tier “glamour” schools will relegate more of the “original little 8” to less favorable network slots, hurting exposure.

I think the Big10 got outmaneuvered to add ORWA before they wanted to - good luck sorting out the schedule ( their first attempt with 16 was already a bit of a mess)

 

[Dowwmeow]

My summer tradition since I moved to LA is driving all up and down the coast and mountain regions backpacking and camping every summer/fall.

It's really driven home to me how crazy distant the Pac always was compared to every other major conference.

When I was driving around Eugene or Seattle last summer it was still a loooooooong ways back to LA and it did have me thinking I could have driven home to Iowa from LA in about the same time. Driving through rural eastern Washington...WSU is easily the most remote school in any major conference. I drove from LA to SLC/Provo last month...I did it in one day but it killed an ENTIRE summer day mostly eating out of my car. Utah/AZ/ASU were never close to other Pac schools either, they're going to have similar geography in Big 12 and better geography than new Big Ten has.

I remember years ago the late, great Al McQuire said that Pullman, Washington was “where old elephants went to die”. About right. Nice town but remote as @%#€.

 

[cyclones500]

Is it too soon for rumors to start about the B1G showing interest in Stanford so they can tell Notre Dame "All your buddies are here, you're gonna have to join a conference to make the CFP in a couple years, join now for our final, 20th spot."

I totally expect such rumors.

 

[4theCYcle]

These actions remind me of the scenes in draft day where the leverage moves back and forth in a matter of moments and Costner plays the seattle GM/coach for their draft picks back + a player + saves seattle the money after knowing Bo Calihan is a bust.

Hopefully BY says the deal has changed.

 

[CYber_saber]

"By waiting to move UT, ASU, AZ allowed ORWA to use them/the PAC to secure a better deal for themselves. UT, ASU, AZ could have appeared stronger by actually reading the room and acting first. They did not Kudos to CU" - late realization of Utah fans on twitter