Downtown Royals Stadium

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I'm assuming the area to the east of their office building, that looks to be parking lots?
They own some of that and the city owns some of that too. Basically that area SW of the I-29/35/70 interchange.
 

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That spot is a pipe dream and no even remotely viable. There aren't enough arteries/exits getting into DT, especially from the south (where a lot of the fans will be coming from). The only place to put more parking would be to the east, which would likely increase the clusterfuck known as highway 71. And having it next to the arena would be ******* bonkers. DT is slammed in the summer when there are concerts, First Fridays, etc going on.

The best place for it would have been on the north side of the river. They could have done the street car extension w/a pedestrian bridge which would increase parking options and alleviate some of the choke points. It also adds room for development, something the other plan doesn't really have.
It’s time to put the stadium where the action is instead of where there is the most empty space for parking and interstate exits. North of the river? Might as well leave it where it is. There’s nothing special up there it puts it even further from the metros main growing suburbs in JoCo and SE Jackson.
 

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It’s time to put the stadium where the action is instead of where there is the most empty space for parking and interstate exits. North of the river? Might as well leave it where it is. There’s nothing special up there it puts it even further from the metros main growing suburbs in JoCo and SE Jackson.

Sounds like you don't live here or at the very least aren't that familiar with downtown KC.

By across the river I'm not talking about up by the airport (in the boonies) but just across the river opposite of downtown. A MAJOR hurdle, probably the BIGGEST hurdle, is that you cause a major bottleneck due to the lack of exits and the immediate clusterfuck that is known as the 71/I35 interchange. Hghwy 71 by itself is also problematic due to the stoplights and the issues that will certainly arise from the southern/SW suburbs going to the ballpark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

You also "crowd" a very small area with the Sprint Center, the convention center, and the new Ballpark being in close proximity. In addition to the first paragraph there is also a major issue with the number of viable exits supplying downtown. You are talking about having 30-40k wroth of people, double to triple the amount for a Sprint Center event, trying to access the east Xroads. From 35 it will be a disaster, from 71 it would be a disaster, from 70/670 it would be a disaster.

Putting it north of the river allows those coming from the north to bypass downtown, those coming from the south to get off near the xroads and utilize the street car, go to DT, or go across the river, while those from the east can do the same. Build a parking garage east of the Sprint Center and run shuttles to the ballpark. This adds infrastructure for the park and added parking that can be used during other times/events.

The other "option" is the West Bottoms but that also creates major access issues. In typical KC fashion this move should have been decided around the time they built the Sprint Center as they could have completely redeveloped the area when there were more potential options/room for added infrastructure. If you put it north of the river you can put in a pedestrian bridge (ala Pitts) that provides easy access, extend the street core to NKC, and disperse some of the devlopment so it's not a complete clusterfuck.
 
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I am a life long Royals fan- been going to games and had tix in our family since Herzog. We love the Royals so much that we currently hate them because they are so feeble and hopeless on the field. I mean, they friggin suck.

We grieved about the K for a while and then came the realization that almost no ball park lives beyond 50 years anymore unless it was part of the glory days of the sport like Wrigley or Fenway. As great as the K is, it is not one of those type of parks- it is time. So, we are now on board for a downtown stadium with a great outfield view and some new lifeblood into the franchise.
We really only want two and maybe three things. We are not married to the design of the seating from home plate to the foul poles. Build a stadium that provides you what you need to obtain the revenue you want. We think the outfield experiences at the K are what still make it a semi iconic venue. The new stadium has to have crown vision and the fountains. We prefer them in the same spot as they currently are located in the K. Crown vision in CF and the fountains flanking it on each side. In fact, if you could just build a new park with an almost identical outfield scheme to what we currently have- adding in the awesome downtown visuals, who could not love that? This is really all we want.
 
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I am a life long Royals fan- been going to games and had tix in our family since Herzog. We love the Royals so much that we currently hate them because they are so feeble and hopeless on the field. I mean, they friggin suck.

We grieved about the K for a while and then came the realization that almost no ball park lives beyond 50 years anymore unless it was part of the glory days of the sport like Wrigley or Fenway. As great as the K is, it is not one of those type of parks- it is time. So, we are now on board for a downtown stadium with a great outfield view and some new lifeblood into the franchise.
We really only want two and maybe three things. We are not married to the design of the seating from home plate to the foul poles. Build a stadium that provides you what you need to obtain the revenue you want. We think the outfield experiences at the K are what still make it a semi iconic venue. The new stadium has to have crown vision and the fountains. We prefer them in the same spot as they currently are located in the K. Crown vision in CF and the fountains flanking it on each side. In fact, if you could just build a new park with an almost identical outfield scheme to what we currently have- adding in the awesome downtown visuals, who could not love that? This is really all we want.

Reminds me a bit of Wrigley talk back in the 90s.

No one gives a **** about the grandstands at Wrigley. Rip that down and keep the bleachers and ivy up.

They went in a completely different direction for Wrigley.

I know this is a Royals thread, but the Angels are blowing it with their stadium. The White Sox did too. Both had a chance to locate downtown and didn't take it. Would've been great for both franchises
 

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I hope they settle on a good site for the stadium. But it wont matter unless they do something to force a sale. The organization should have been cleaned out mid way through last season. It was as bad as its ever been. But the current owners are ok with being the worst franchise in the league. The fans shouldn't be. I want to take my son to his second MLB game in KC. . I wont do it with these owners though. They don't deserve the gate revenue.
 
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I hope they settle on a good site for the stadium. But it wont matter unless they do something to force a sale. The organization should have been cleaned out mid way through last season. It was as bad as its ever been. But the current owners are ok with being the worst franchise in the league. The fans shouldn't be. I want to take my son to his second MLB game in KC. . I wont do it with these owners though. They don't deserve the gate revenue.

Sherman has been the owner for less than 3 years... sorry he hasn't completely turned the tire fire he inherited into a world champion in that time period.
 

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We think the outfield experiences at the K are what still make it a semi iconic venue. The new stadium has to have crown vision and the fountains.

This is underrated as even if the game sucks, you can bounce out to the outfield with your kids and they can have a great time. We've had some good times there. If they build a generic stadium they MUST win, because people will go even less if they don't.
 
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Also, just to add with this, they are #23 in revenue... but the division is the #18, #19, #20, #23, and #24 teams.

The revenue of the highest grossing team in the division is 268 million (Twins) and KC's is 263 million, and that team is the Twins, with a downtown stadium part of a larger complex. So if people think building this stadium is going to jack up the Royals' revenue compared to that of the Twins, who already have what the Royals purportedly want, they have another thing coming. They are already right on par with their peers in revenue in the division in revenue.

This of course, begs the question, what is the actual revenue bump the Royals could expect? 10 million a year? Is that going to make a difference?
 

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Sounds like you don't live here or at the very least aren't that familiar with downtown KC.

By across the river I'm not talking about up by the airport (in the boonies) but just across the river opposite of downtown. A MAJOR hurdle, probably the BIGGEST hurdle, is that you cause a major bottleneck due to the lack of exits and the immediate clusterfuck that is known as the 71/I35 interchange. Hghwy 71 by itself is also problematic due to the stoplights and the issues that will certainly arise from the southern/SW suburbs going to the ballpark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

You also "crowd" a very small area with the Sprint Center, the convention center, and the new Ballpark being in close proximity. In addition to the first paragraph there is also a major issue with the number of viable exits supplying downtown. You are talking about having 30-40k wroth of people, double to triple the amount for a Sprint Center event, trying to access the east Xroads. From 35 it will be a disaster, from 71 it would be a disaster, from 70/670 it would be a disaster.

Putting it north of the river allows those coming from the north to bypass downtown, those coming from the south to get off near the xroads and utilize the street car, go to DT, or go across the river, while those from the east can do the same. Build a parking garage east of the Sprint Center and run shuttles to the ballpark. This adds infrastructure for the park and added parking that can be used during other times/events.

The other "option" is the West Bottoms but that also creates major access issues. In typical KC fashion this move should have been decided around the time they built the Sprint Center as they could have completely redeveloped the area when there were more potential options/room for added infrastructure. If you put it north of the river you can put in a pedestrian bridge (ala Pitts) that provides easy access, extend the street core to NKC, and disperse some of the devlopment so it's not a complete clusterfuck.
I hadn't thought of this. The interstate system downtown is brutal and will be a pain. I used to live on 16th and Walnut and that 2 mile drive would probably take 30 minutes after a game.
 

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Reminds me a bit of Wrigley talk back in the 90s.

No one gives a **** about the grandstands at Wrigley. Rip that down and keep the bleachers and ivy up.

They went in a completely different direction for Wrigley.

I know this is a Royals thread, but the Angels are blowing it with their stadium. The White Sox did too. Both had a chance to locate downtown and didn't take it. Would've been great for both franchises
The White Sox one is really a heartbreaker. They made a push just a few years to early - Camden Yards opened just a few years later and really changed the stadium game.

They supposedly looked at building their new stadium at State and Roosevelt, right on the river. It would've been 1 block from the Red/Orange/Green line and an easy walk south from the Loop. That tract of land is just now being developed 30 some years later.
 

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Sounds like you don't live here or at the very least aren't that familiar with downtown KC.

By across the river I'm not talking about up by the airport (in the boonies) but just across the river opposite of downtown. A MAJOR hurdle, probably the BIGGEST hurdle, is that you cause a major bottleneck due to the lack of exits and the immediate clusterfuck that is known as the 71/I35 interchange. Hghwy 71 by itself is also problematic due to the stoplights and the issues that will certainly arise from the southern/SW suburbs going to the ballpark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

You also "crowd" a very small area with the Sprint Center, the convention center, and the new Ballpark being in close proximity. In addition to the first paragraph there is also a major issue with the number of viable exits supplying downtown. You are talking about having 30-40k wroth of people, double to triple the amount for a Sprint Center event, trying to access the east Xroads. From 35 it will be a disaster, from 71 it would be a disaster, from 70/670 it would be a disaster.

Putting it north of the river allows those coming from the north to bypass downtown, those coming from the south to get off near the xroads and utilize the street car, go to DT, or go across the river, while those from the east can do the same. Build a parking garage east of the Sprint Center and run shuttles to the ballpark. This adds infrastructure for the park and added parking that can be used during other times/events.

The other "option" is the West Bottoms but that also creates major access issues. In typical KC fashion this move should have been decided around the time they built the Sprint Center as they could have completely redeveloped the area when there were more potential options/room for added infrastructure. If you put it north of the river you can put in a pedestrian bridge (ala Pitts) that provides
Sounds like you don't live here or at the very least aren't that familiar with downtown KC.

By across the river I'm not talking about up by the airport (in the boonies) but just across the river opposite of downtown. A MAJOR hurdle, probably the BIGGEST hurdle, is that you cause a major bottleneck due to the lack of exits and the immediate clusterfuck that is known as the 71/I35 interchange. Hghwy 71 by itself is also problematic due to the stoplights and the issues that will certainly arise from the southern/SW suburbs going to the ballpark. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

You also "crowd" a very small area with the Sprint Center, the convention center, and the new Ballpark being in close proximity. In addition to the first paragraph there is also a major issue with the number of viable exits supplying downtown. You are talking about having 30-40k wroth of people, double to triple the amount for a Sprint Center event, trying to access the east Xroads. From 35 it will be a disaster, from 71 it would be a disaster, from 70/670 it would be a disaster.

Putting it north of the river allows those coming from the north to bypass downtown, those coming from the south to get off near the xroads and utilize the street car, go to DT, or go across the river, while those from the east can do the same. Build a parking garage east of the Sprint Center and run shuttles to the ballpark. This adds infrastructure for the park and added parking that can be used during other times/events.

The other "option" is the West Bottoms but that also creates major access issues. In typical KC fashion this move should have been decided around the time they built the Sprint Center as they could have completely redeveloped the area when there were more potential options/room for added infrastructure. If you put it north of the river you can put in a pedestrian bridge (ala Pitts) that provides easy access, extend the street core to NKC, and disperse some of the devlopment so it's not a complete clusterfuck.
Ok I do like your idea more than I thought, I was thinking you wanted to put it up in the northland somewhere.
 

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I hadn't thought of this. The interstate system downtown is brutal and will be a pain. I used to live on 16th and Walnut and that 2 mile drive would probably take 30 minutes after a game.
One thing I don’t see typically mentioned when people talk about delays in leaving downtown after the game - it already takes a helluva long time to get out of the parking lot at the K when it’s a full house. It’s totally normal for it to take some time getting in and out of stadium parking during major sporting events.
 

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I hope they settle on a good site for the stadium. But it wont matter unless they do something to force a sale. The organization should have been cleaned out mid way through last season. It was as bad as its ever been. But the current owners are ok with being the worst franchise in the league. The fans shouldn't be. I want to take my son to his second MLB game in KC. . I wont do it with these owners though. They don't deserve the gate revenue.
Huh? We have new ownership, and they just canned Dayton Moore and the coaching staff last season.
 

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Sherman has been the owner for less than 3 years... sorry he hasn't completely turned the tire fire he inherited into a world champion in that time period.
And he did clean house last season, firing Dayton Moore and company. I don’t think Brett is up to date on the Royals.
 
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I got it from the mayor.

Not exactly unbiased in this matter. He wants the downtown stadium badly and is not above fudging numbers to get his way. How many of those workers are employed within walking distance of the new stadium? How far would you be willing to walk to get to the stadium? What about parking for weekday day games when all of the workers are taking the available parking spaces?
 

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Not exactly unbiased in this matter. He wants the downtown stadium badly and is not above fudging numbers to get his way. How many of those workers are employed within walking distance of the new stadium? How far would you be willing to walk to get to the stadium? What about parking for weekday day games when all of the workers are taking the available parking spaces?
OK, how many blocks is too far for you to walk?