Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

isucy86

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Any of the current Big 12 members would leave in a minute if an SEC or B1G offer came with a van load of cash. This is a moot point. The Big 12 will be hunting for the best brands for the life of the next deal. If it changes after that, so be it, bring in the next best teams available. I would rather have UO and WU for 6 years and take ASU and CU later.
I agree, but don't feel it's an either/or situation.

Gotta believe that ESPN & FOX value ASU and CU for the Phoenix and Denver TV markets. The next 6 years is critical for the Big12 to build its brand compared to the Big10 & SEC and I feel ASU, CU, UA, UU, UW and OR can all help the Big12 achieve that goal.

I think when the time comes, Yormark will be able to articulate the Big12's case to those schools.
 

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I agree, but don't feel it's an either/or situation.

Gotta believe that ESPN & FOX value ASU and CU for the Phoenix and Denver TV markets. The next 6 years is critical for the Big12 to build its brand compared to the Big10 & SEC and I feel ASU, CU, UA, UU, UW and OR can all help the Big12 achieve that goal.

I think when the time comes, Yormark will be able to articulate the Big12's case to those schools.

I think adding the 4 corners AND Oregon and UW would give the Big 12 the opportunity to claim “P3”. It would be a risk, because UW and Oregon might try to jump ship at some point. Just depends on how valuable that could be and if it’s worth trying to shoot the moon for.
 

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Live in the now.

If Oregon and Washington are willing to jump and make you money right now, you do it. You don't worry about them jumping in the future.

Take the 6 PAC schools with value, add Gonzaga and Creighton as non-football members and cement yourself as the clear #3 football league and the overwhelmingly top basketball league.
 

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While I agree that viewing this from primarily a business perspective is the way to go, I don't think you can take the emotional element completely out of this. Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma all felt they were better than the rest of the conference, and that attitude made things much worse (which is probably an understatement).

If there's one thing the surviving Big 12 schools are not, it's arrogant. We've been humbled over the last decade and we've learned the hard way that the key to our survival is to stick together and to treat all members equally. Bringing in schools who look down upon our conference and mock us is going to make it very difficult to maintain the cordial atmosphere we've finally achieved.

I'm not suggesting we try to humiliate the PAC schools. I'm just suggesting we take the two Arizona schools first and then take our time on the rest. We have all the leverage. In the end, it would do the rest of the PAC good to learn a little humility.

This. We're also going to need ESPN to do a hard 180 and start pumping our brand instead of crapping on it for 10+ years sowing discontent and inferiority. Part of the reason I didn't want them involved with the media deal, as well as the AAC collusion with OuT. Being completely shut of the B1G, and with BY at the helm, I hope they cooperate now...sad that is had to come this far.
 

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The difference between AZ and Utah ADs is one has pretty much kept quiet and another has been not quiet. You can promote and stick up for yourself and conference with out being a numbnut.

So being quiet help's promote a cause? These are negotiations, I can't fault the Utah AD for trying to promote Pac12 solidarity. So he took exception to what CBS is reporting. I am sure a lot of Big12 AD's took exception to a lot of media reports in the aftermath of OUT's departure.

The reality is Arizona along for the ride in the Pac12's TV Media valuation. Schools like Oregon, Washington, Arizona State and Utah will drive dollars. Schools like CU & UA don't pull down valuation like WSU, OSU, Stanford and Cal.
 

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So being quiet help's promote a cause? These are negotiations, I can't fault the Utah AD for trying to promote Pac12 solidarity. So he took exception to what CBS is reporting. I am sure a lot of Big12 AD's took exception to a lot of media reports in the aftermath of OUT's departure.

The reality is Arizona along for the ride in the Pac12's TV Media valuation. Schools like Oregon, Washington, Arizona State and Utah will drive dollars. Schools like CU & UA don't pull down valuation like WSU, OSU, Stanford and Cal.
Your reading comprehension sucks.
 

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Realignment is ALL about TV money. It's not about jerk fans or great places to visit. It's about schools that can bring the Big12 more than $31.7M annually. For the Big12 they are two keys to that criteria: Brand & Winning Programs.

I understand people's takes on Oregon/Washington- if they aren't committed, why add them? We can all speculate what the next round of TV media rights will look like in 2030, but does anyone know for certain? So if Oregon & Washington can strengthen the Big12's product over the next 5-6 years, why not bring them on board. The Big12 can always incorporate an exit fee if they leave, regardless of GOR.

Same goes for Utah. If they can help the Big12 compete against the SEC & Big10 on the field/court, bring them on!! I don't fault Utah fans for being defensive, condescending, etc. etc. it's just human nature when the status quo is threatened. As Cyclone fans, we should understand this more than most fan bases based on what the Big12 has gone through with realignment speculation over the last decade.
The red is the key - we don't really know what the future holds. The B10 and SEC might not ever come calling for WAOR.

What's the top-out number for the B10 and SEC? Is it 20 or 24? If it's 24, WAOR are in, but I'm not convinced they make the cut if it's 20. I lean towards 20 simply because I can't find 16 more schools that bring enough value and 12 is a stretch. 8-10 seems more doable.

The SEC seems to be positioning itself as a regional conference. They're in the SE too deep to effectively pivot to being a coast-to-coast conference. WAOR would be massive geographical outliers as there's no one even remotely close to them.

As for the B10, I think they have other targets that come well before WAOR. Obviously, ND is #1 to the point where I question if they ever go to 20 without ND. ND may push for Stanford as part of the deal (and they may have been left out for now as a future bargaining chip. It's not like they'd ever even joke about joining the B12 or SEC). That leaves two spots. I'd have to think getting into Florida would be very high on the B10's want list - so FSU and/or Miami. UNC, WA, OR, or UVA can fill in in blanks.
 

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The red is the key - we don't really know what the future holds. The B10 and SEC might not ever come calling for WAOR.

What's the top-out number for the B10 and SEC? Is it 20 or 24? If it's 24, WAOR are in, but I'm not convinced they make the cut if it's 20. I lean towards 20 simply because I can't find 16 more schools that bring enough value and 12 is a stretch. 8-10 seems more doable.

The SEC seems to be positioning itself as a regional conference. They're in the SE too deep to effectively pivot to being a coast-to-coast conference. WAOR would be massive geographical outliers as there's no one even remotely close to them.

As for the B10, I think they have other targets that come well before WAOR. Obviously, ND is #1 to the point where I question if they ever go to 20 without ND. ND may push for Stanford as part of the deal (and they may have been left out for now as a future bargaining chip. It's not like they'd ever even joke about joining the B12 or SEC). That leaves two spots. I'd have to think getting into Florida would be very high on the B10's want list - so FSU and/or Miami. UNC, WA, OR, or UVA can fill in in blanks.
i think the B10 and SEC are way more thirsty to rip apart the ACC than take schools in the pacific NW.
 
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I do think, reading between the lines, it’s telling Utah’s AD would respond like that. If Utah were imminently about to jump to the Big 12, no way does he respond like that.

Utah is "firmly entrenched"

Every one is. Until the day they decide they aren't.

Until the PAC actually puts down a tv deal, it's all meaningless talk.

That being said, I wouldn't lost sleep if we left Utah out.
 

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