Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[WhoISthis]

Don’t go by Stewy, he has no idea.

Max Olson was also on the byline

Scheer points to Tuesday as being huge. We’ve heard of March and April deadlines.

My one hesitation is that it’s a decent ploy by 4Cs to get Oregon/UW and networks best offer to threaten an imminent jump to Big 12.

 

[BCClone]

Max Olson was also on the byline

Scheer points to Tuesday as being huge. We’ve heard of March and April deadlines.

My one hesitation is that it’s a decent ploy by 4Cs to get Oregon/UW and networks best offer to threaten an imminent jump to Big 12.

Even if it’s a ploy by the 4corners, it will still lead to a certain amount of distrust and concern for all the teams.

 

[JP4CY]

Consistent with MHver’s tweet Big 12 meeting on 3/7 could result in basketball only addition(s)

Maybe decisions will be made this month, but any announcement would seemingly come after the NCAA tournament. Although, there are reports of April deadline for George to get a sufficient deal for PAC

Just get one of the 4C, and things start to unravel imo.

Never, ever, ever, ever, give a **** what MHver ever says. EVER.

 

[BCClone]

Never, ever, ever, ever, give a **** what MHver ever says. EVER.

Someone needs to start crap posting stuff WV being traded to the AAC to pay off the other three teams exit fees or something like that

 

[HouClone]

This talk of the 4 corner schools leaving to the B12 has to be killing Stewart Mandel, there is no bigger P12 homer than ol Mandel, and his distaste for the B12 over the years has been off the charts.

As the podcast that someone posted yesterday, "no one watches a game thinking about the GPA of the teams on the floor" or "I wonder what is the ACT/SAT you need to get into that university?" The arrogance of P12 will be their undoing.

Stew, Wilner, Canzano, and Altimore look down on the Big 12 and cannot believe the Big 12 is in a better position. No criticism on the Big 10 who started the Pac unraveling. I guess we would do the same if the American was trying to poach from us. That lasted about a week until Big Balls Bowlsby slapped ESPN upside the head.

 

[KnappShack]

Stew, Wilner, Canzano, and Altimore look down on the Big 12 and cannot believe the Big 12 is in a better position. No criticism on the Big 10 who started the Pac unraveling. I guess we would do the same if the American was trying to poach from us. That lasted about a week until Big Balls Bowlsby slapped ESPN upside the head.

Bowlsby had his flaws, but he did show some stones during that time.

 

[IASTATE07]

Never, ever, ever, ever, give a **** what MHver ever says. EVER.

He's kind of latched on to MHver to apparently go against the people that don't believe anything MHver posts.

 

[BCClone]

Bowlsby had his flaws, but he did show some stones during that time.

I always figured it was JP and a couple other ADs that told Bob what to do. He basically just held down a chair for his time as commish.

 

[WhoISthis]

Never, ever, ever, ever, give a **** what MHver ever says. EVER.

That act is worse than MHver’s. Don’t let him play you like that.

I don’t care if he has a source on that or read it somewhere and got lucky, but it’s one of his postings that seems to have layers of truth under his boisterous additions

If you want to read the latest possible storylines in realignment, which you must given you’re in this thread, the MHver and Flug types have some value. But I get it can be though for those that don’t follow this to have trouble discerning when that is

 

[JP4CY]

That act is worse than MHver’s. Don’t let him play you like that.

I don’t care if he has a source on that or read it somewhere and got lucky, but it’s one of his postings that seems to have layers of truth under his boisterous additions

If you want to read the latest possible storylines in realignment, which you must given you’re in this thread, the MHver and Flug types have some value. But I get it can be though for those that don’t follow this to have trouble discerning when that is

This should be bronzed like Tebow's speech to the Gator fans.

 

[HouClone]

Reading the Pac forums including Oregon and Washington, they all want to stick together. Refreshing to see. Sad that OUT bashed their own conference for 12 years when they were the problem that the conference dropped down in status. They were horrible.

If Pac survives and think they will, would be good to create some kind of Alliance (hate saying that) with the Pac and ACC.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Someone needs to start crap posting stuff WV being traded to the AAC to pay off the other three teams exit fees or something like that

It’s such an elaborate troll I doubt the person running that account is even a WVU fan.

 

[SCNCY]

Reading the Pac forums including Oregon and Washington, they all want to stick together. Refreshing to see. Sad that OUT bashed their own conference for 12 years when they were the problem that the conference dropped down in status. They were horrible.

If Pac survives and think they will, would be good to create some kind of Alliance (hate saying that) with the Pac and ACC.

If offered, no one is turning down the Big10 or SEC. They are the cream of the crop right now. I think we’d all like to see college football how it was a decade or so ago, but money is ruling the game right now, and the Big10 and SEC are winning that right now.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Stew, Wilner, Canzano, and Altimore look down on the Big 12 and cannot believe the Big 12 is in a better position. No criticism on the Big 10 who started the Pac unraveling. I guess we would do the same if the American was trying to poach from us. That lasted about a week until Big Balls Bowlsby slapped ESPN upside the head.

Bowlsby had his flaws, but he did show some stones during that time.

I will flat out admit I never liked Bowlsby as commissioner, as many of his decisions were what sent the Titanic screaming into the iceberg in the first place, but I'll give the man credit for one thing - he got the Titanic welded watertight before it had a chance to sink - and gave us time to get a much better commissioner in place.

 

[exCyDing]

Reading the Pac forums including Oregon and Washington, they all want to stick together. Refreshing to see. Sad that OUT bashed their own conference for 12 years when they were the problem that the conference dropped down in status. They were horrible.

If Pac survives and think they will, would be good to create some kind of Alliance (hate saying that) with the Pac and ACC.

It goes back further than the last 12 years. There were certain schools in both the old Big 8 and SWC who were far more interested in boosting their own prestige without concern for the rest of the conference. If they weren’t finding a way to boost just themselves, kneecapping other schools was just as good. Glad to be (almost) rid of them.

The PAC very well may survive if three things happen:

1. They need a media deal worth $27/$28m per school for at least 5 years.
2. It’s gotta be equal revenue distribution, WAOR can’t push for a bigger cut.
3. WAOR needs to accept the deal and sign the GOR pretty quick. I could see them trying to drag it out in hopes the B10 fills their commissioner position and makes an offer.

If 2 and/or 3 happen, the corner schools will get anxious real quick and all the more likely for at least 2 of them to throw in with the B12 and bring the whole thing down.

 

[CascadeClone]

It goes back further than the last 12 years. There were certain schools in both the old Big 8 and SWC who were far more interested in boosting their own prestige without concern for the rest of the conference. If they weren’t finding a way to boost just themselves, kneecapping other schools was just as good. Glad to be (almost) rid of them.

The PAC very well may survive if three things happen:

1. They need a media deal worth $27/$28m per school for at least 5 years.
2. It’s gotta be equal revenue distribution, WAOR can’t push for a bigger cut.
3. WAOR needs to accept the deal and sign the GOR pretty quick. I could see them trying to drag it out in hopes the B10 fills their commissioner position and makes an offer.

If 2 and/or 3 happen, the corner schools will get anxious real quick and all the more likely for at least 2 of them to throw in with the B12 and bring the whole thing down.

Tend to agree, but:
1. I think $25M would get it done
2. If they add teams (SDSt, SMU) who bear the burden of unequal sharing for the initial GoR period, that could be a source for UW/UO to get more (say the 2 newbies get half share, and UW/UO get 1.5 shares). I think the M4 could tolerate that.

The biggest thing against the PAC is the Prisoners Dilemma. First one to cut a deal is safe, so there is intense pressure to not be the 2nd Prisoner and get left behind.

 

[BCClone]

Tend to agree, but:
1. I think $25M would get it done
2. If they add teams (SDSt, SMU) who bear the burden of unequal sharing for the initial GoR period, that could be a source for UW/UO to get more (say the 2 newbies get half share, and UW/UO get 1.5 shares). I think the M4 could tolerate that.

The biggest thing against the PAC is the Prisoners Dilemma. First one to cut a deal is safe, so there is intense pressure to not be the 2nd Prisoner and get left behind.

Rumor is ESPN isn’t willing to pay for non P5s.

 

[cycloneworld]

Don’t go by Stewy, he has no idea.

Any chance I get to plug Stewart’s article saying the Big 12 leftovers were worth $7-$12 million per school, I’m going to do it. Guy has been massively out of touch on realignment (you’d think The Athletic’s national CFB lead would be a little more plugged in on what’s going on in CFB…).

Mandel: Big 12's TV numbers explain divide between Texas, Oklahoma and the rest — and why remaining 8 should worry

The reality is there’s very little difference between the TV interest in Kansas State and West Virginia and the interest in UCF or Houston.

theathletic.com

And that $12 million TV figure might prove too optimistic if/when the Big 12 negotiates its next contract. On one hand, sports rights in general have skyrocketed in the nine years since the conference last went to the market. On the other, such a depleted conference does not figure to garner a bidding war between networks, which could dampen the price.

A more useful recent analog, given the viewership numbers cited earlier, might be the AAC’s new ESPN deal that began in 2020. That contract nets its schools about $7 million a year on average.

Unfortunately, that $7 million-to-$12 million range does not bode well for the Left-Behind 8’s chances of landing an invitation to one of the other Power 5 conferences.

 

[cycloneworld]

It goes back further than the last 12 years. There were certain schools in both the old Big 8 and SWC who were far more interested in boosting their own prestige without concern for the rest of the conference. If they weren’t finding a way to boost just themselves, kneecapping other schools was just as good. Glad to be (almost) rid of them.

The PAC very well may survive if three things happen:

1. They need a media deal worth $27/$28m per school for at least 5 years.
2. It’s gotta be equal revenue distribution, WAOR can’t push for a bigger cut.
3. WAOR needs to accept the deal and sign the GOR pretty quick. I could see them trying to drag it out in hopes the B10 fills their commissioner position and makes an offer.

If 2 and/or 3 happen, the corner schools will get anxious real quick and all the more likely for at least 2 of them to throw in with the B12 and bring the whole thing down.

Agree with everything you said except for #1. Does $27 mil get it done when WA/OR bolt after 5 years for greener pastures? $27 mil gets it done FOR NOW but you are staring $15-$20 mil in the face when you have to renegotiate in a few years likely without WA/OR.

I think it’s more likely than not the Pac stays together for a few more years but if the Four Corners don’t see the writing on the wall, they deserve to be stuck on streaming platforms.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Any chance I get to plug Stewart’s article saying the Big 12 leftovers were worth $7-$12 million per school, I’m going to do it. Guy has been massively out of touch on realignment (you’d think The Athletic’s national CFB lead would be a little more plugged in on what’s going on in CFB…).

Mandel: Big 12's TV numbers explain divide between Texas, Oklahoma and the rest — and why remaining 8 should worry

The reality is there’s very little difference between the TV interest in Kansas State and West Virginia and the interest in UCF or Houston.

theathletic.com

Guy isn't out of touch. He is paid to have the opinions that align with those who pay him.